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post #1 of 6 Old 08-18-2014, 05:45 PM Thread Starter
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Chambon and DeGogue

So what do you all think about the Chambon and DeGogue as a tool for developing correct muscling for Dressage?

Love it, hate it?
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post #2 of 6 Old 08-18-2014, 10:43 PM
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What develops a top line is the horse 'carrying out to the hand'...the horse being up/open/lightly in front of the vertical/and in balance/steadily forward.

A chambon might have a purpose of lifting the bit in the horse's mouth, this causes the horse to chew and extend the neck out and forward. Used in this way it is meant to be combined with work in hand (teaching a half halt/mobilizeing the jaw/lateral flexibility/etc)...which almost no one would uses a chambon does. But it has the downside of easily putting the horse onto the forehand. And if the progression of work in hand is not used with this, it has little use ridden.

A degogue limit the height and openness of the throat latch and tends to pose the horse too closed and low. It easily tenses the back and is not kind to the bars.

Both, esp the later, can easily create a horse which is trapped, and can flip over. In short both address the neck of the horse, and rarely the entire body (and even then only specific cases)

A better solution: correct riding, using figures, timing the aids, creating a horse which is up/open/active and which will easily chew the reins from the hand and legnthnen the outline.
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No in about 95% of horses for the above reasons. Why? You're not thinking of putting your lovely little mare in one??
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No in about 95% of horses for the above reasons. Why? You're not thinking of putting your lovely little mare in one??
Nope. Just wanted to hear different opinions
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post #5 of 6 Old 08-19-2014, 05:41 PM
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Ok. They can be useful for the 5% of horses who have been really screwed up by bad training, very resistant to the hand, and simply will not soften to the hand nor come through from behind, no matter how well you ride. If this isn't your horse, effective riding, creating impulsion behind and sending her into an elastic contact, is the right way to get her working correctly. You shouldn't need headgear.
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post #6 of 6 Old 08-19-2014, 07:38 PM
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Simply put they both have huge downsides (esp the de Gogue) and not much upside. They do not develop the top line.

Anything that creates precipitous flexion by acting on the bars to close/lower the horse teaches the horse to give at the wrong vertebal body via action on the bars only treats the front part of the horse.
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