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post #1 of 21 Old 07-26-2012, 02:59 PM Thread Starter
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Cinny finally stopped rushing...but now he barely moves forward at all, help

Yes, Cinny has finally decided that he doesn't like to "rush" and "lurch" anymore. We now have a nice, even trot. He is picking up his hind legs instead of slightly dragging them as he did before (and he no longer has a dust cloud behind us from it). His back is starting to round, and my trainer says he's really starting to use his back and topline more effectively.

The down side, we seem to have lost our impulsion :( In fact, he travels so little that my trainer says if he traveled any less we would be doing Piaffe instead of trotting. All for feet are coming off the ground nicely, he just doesn't go forward.

So far my trainer only has me "bumping" him with my legs with his trot rhythm to encourage forward movement, but it doesn't seem to help much. He just curves his neck and goes behind the bit instead. Now, I'm not "bashing" my trainer, or complaining etc etc...don't think that PLEASE, I adore her. I am just asking for some more ideas to encourage him to travel forward more as we are only showing Training level and I really don't think they want our test to take twice as long as it should because I can't get my horse to move forward.

I have never used spurs on him, and don't really want to as I am not happy with my legs right now and I have just recently gotten him to stop lurching forward with any leg contact so I don't want to get back to square one. But all and any other ideas are very very welcome.
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post #2 of 21 Old 07-26-2012, 03:09 PM
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Have you tried carrying a dressage whip to give him a tap when he loses his forward motion?
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Firstly, I would ask your trainer to ride him and see if its a training or rider issue. If your trainer has the same issues, then you need to think of ways to go, but if its a rider issue, your trainer needs to start thinking of new things.

Could he be barn sour?? Do you do other things with him, trail rides, free jumping, lunging over poles etc?

A dressage whip is a very good idea, but use it in stages. Ask with your leg, ask firmer with your leg, then whip- give him the chance to move off your leg. Three steps. He'll soon learn that when you ask the first time, it makes his life a lot easier.
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Could be that he's now using all the right muscles to move and hasn't built up the strength or stamina to keep at it hard.
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a whip would be my choice, and NOT leg on with every stride. dulls out the horse's response to the leg.

I would love to see a video of the "new" Cinny trotting.
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Have you tried carrying a dressage whip to give him a tap when he loses his forward motion?
I have one, but have only used it with him on the ground. He still has "yikes a whip!" mentality (something he inherited from a previous trainer while I was on vacation one year) and we are working out of it. I have never learned to use one properly while riding but I'm assuming if I only lightly "tap" the rump, this is correct?

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Firstly, I would ask your trainer to ride him and see if its a training or rider issue. If your trainer has the same issues, then you need to think of ways to go, but if its a rider issue, your trainer needs to start thinking of new things.
Sadly, my trainer is currently unable to ride any horse. She is recovering from surgery on her leg and hasn't been able to get on a horse for over 4 months AND will not be able to for the rest of this year. I will however ask if her intermediate/advanced H/J student could see what she can do with him. He does however do it on the lunge line too. I really have to influence him with my lunge whip to get him to move forward. I usually lunge him with his bridle and side reins, I'm not sure if he does it without the side reins. I will try lunging with just a halter tomorrow.

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Could he be barn sour?? Do you do other things with him, trail rides, free jumping, lunging over poles etc?
We do many things. The 4H group works on obstacles/trail class stuff and we are always welcome to join in the group session, so we do. My new stable isn't near trails but we do have an occasional hack or hand gallop across unused farmland that we are permitted to ride on. I also do at least 1 day of ground work only each week which consists of ground driving and clicker training (tricks and the such, don't worry I'm not training him to rear Lol). He doesn't seem sour and gladly goes wherever I want him to. He moves out forward very well in the walk and I can also get him to really move forward in the hand gallop if I ask him too.



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Could be that he's now using all the right muscles to move and hasn't built up the strength or stamina to keep at it hard.
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Never thought of this, and he is very newly using his back more, etc. I'd say he starting working this way about 3 weeks ago when he first got off stall rest after an injury.

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a whip would be my choice, and NOT leg on with every stride. dulls out the horse's response to the leg.

I would love to see a video of the "new" Cinny trotting.
I'll see if I can get someone to hold the camera next time I ride. I've been meaning to get more video of him since he started working differently anyway, I just haven't done it yet. It's hard to find a camera holder these days with everyone getting their horses, tack etc ready for the fair in a few weeks.
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My preferance would be behind the leg, so when you give the cue to trot or move out and he responds with a sluggish jog, give the leg aid again, with a tap from the whip to reinforce it.
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My preferance would be behind the leg, so when you give the cue to trot or move out and he responds with a sluggish jog, give the leg aid again, with a tap from the whip to reinforce it.
I just want to make sure I get this correct. When you say behind the leg, do you mean hind or fore? Or are you meaning my leg?
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Sorry, meant behind your leg.
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Get him out of the arena, and go for a big gallop in a paddock somewhere.
Nothing refreshes their desire to go forward like a good, open lung gallop.

We get stuck sometimes, doing work in the arena day in day out, striving for perfection, that it is possible to inadvertedly lose the forward button. I find it very important to get any horse outside for a good stretch and run.

As for the 'yikes, whip!' reaction - well to be honest, right now that's probably a good thing. Grab a chunk of mane and do not, under and circumstances, grab his mouth. Tap him with the whip and let him leap forward. Keep the momentum going, then come back again and ask again.
It won't take long to get rid of the crazy leap reaction, and you'll just get the 'whip means forward' reaction.

I would not recommend spurs as a driving aid. In my opinion, spurs are there to simply fine tune the reactions that are already in place, especially in the lateral and collected work.
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