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    07-26-2012, 09:13 PM
  #11
Weanling
I agree that getting him out of the arena is a good start. I would also work him over some trot poles to reinforce a longer stride.
     
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    07-26-2012, 09:27 PM
  #12
Started
Not that I want to lose all our forward, but how did you make the lurch go away? Still working on that one down here...
     
    07-26-2012, 09:56 PM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Sharpie    
Not that I want to lose all our forward, but how did you make the lurch go away? Still working on that one down here...
To be honest, I am not sure. He was on stall rest for 2 1/2 weeks with a bad injury (he cut his foot and went through an artery). While he was on rest I rode an old "been there done that" school horse that was HARD to move at all and I still never got him into a canter LOL. In my lessons with him I had to give him constant leg and my current trainer says with all dressage horses you keep your legs on and constantly squeeze to go forward (not sure I agree but with this horse I saw it anyway). When Cinny got back to work, the first day he was abominable. But then after that he just relaxed into work and started picking up his hind legs, rounding his back, and stopped having his head straight in the air like a giraffe.

Maybe there was something else going on and the rest did him good and got him relaxing more, I don't know. But I can have my legs resting on him and he doesn't surge. I used to have to be careful not to so much as tickle him with my legs. Maybe I desensitized him, I don't know. The first week back we did a lot of lunge work with side reins... I'm just pulling guesses.

The ONLY change I have made is that I started giving him "Gumbits" before our rides which does help get him to relax his jaw and not grind his teeth the whole ride. But that is the only thing I am doing differently.
     
    07-26-2012, 10:38 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
To be honest, I am not sure. He was on stall rest for 2 1/2 weeks with a bad injury (he cut his foot and went through an artery). While he was on rest I rode an old "been there done that" school horse that was HARD to move at all and I still never got him into a canter LOL. In my lessons with him I had to give him constant leg and my current trainer says with all dressage horses you keep your legs on and constantly squeeze to go forward (not sure I agree but with this horse I saw it anyway). When Cinny got back to work, the first day he was abominable. But then after that he just relaxed into work and started picking up his hind legs, rounding his back, and stopped having his head straight in the air like a giraffe.

Maybe there was something else going on and the rest did him good and got him relaxing more, I don't know. But I can have my legs resting on him and he doesn't surge. I used to have to be careful not to so much as tickle him with my legs. Maybe I desensitized him, I don't know. The first week back we did a lot of lunge work with side reins... I'm just pulling guesses.

The ONLY change I have made is that I started giving him "Gumbits" before our rides which does help get him to relax his jaw and not grind his teeth the whole ride. But that is the only thing I am doing differently.
Interesting. That's a brilliant way to deaden the horse's reaction to the leg.

A horse that wants to rush through the aids constantly, should be ridden every step. Constant corrections, half halts, transitions, changes of rein, 10m circles, leg yield, shoulder in etc. Keep their feet moving where you want them, and don't give them an oportunity to 'bomb off' on you.
My current horse tends to get quite strong and wants to drag the reins down and bare onto the forehand. I need to ride very tactfully, not allowing him to get onto the forehand, and if he makes a good attempt to run through my seat and hand, I'll bring him either back to walk, or make him back up immediately, then continue, to really drill home that my seat and rein mean STOP!
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    08-04-2012, 06:32 PM
  #15
Green Broke
If he is behind the bit and going slow lengthen your reins. Move your hips when he walks like he is going somewhere and tilt your pelvis forward. You are describing the same issues as I saw in your lunging video.
     
    08-05-2012, 10:24 AM
  #16
Green Broke
I think it's funny that people misread what I am saying and answer something I said about the lesson horse as if it were Cinny I were riding....
     
    08-05-2012, 10:35 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
I think it's funny that people misread what I am saying and answer something I said about the lesson horse as if it were Cinny I were riding....
Yes, Cinny has finally decided that he doesn't like to "rush" and "lurch" anymore. We now have a nice, even trot. He is picking up his hind legs instead of slightly dragging them as he did before (and he no longer has a dust cloud behind us from it). His back is starting to round, and my trainer says he's really starting to use his back and topline more effectively.

The down side, we seem to have lost our impulsion :( In fact, he travels so little that my trainer says if he traveled any less we would be doing Piaffe instead of trotting. All for feet are coming off the ground nicely, he just doesn't go forward.


Looks like you are talking about Cinny to me. No other way to read this.
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    08-05-2012, 01:20 PM
  #18
Green Broke
REad what kayty highlighted
     
    08-05-2012, 07:41 PM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
Yes, Cinny has finally decided that he doesn't like to "rush" and "lurch" anymore. We now have a nice, even trot. He is picking up his hind legs instead of slightly dragging them as he did before (and he no longer has a dust cloud behind us from it). His back is starting to round, and my trainer says he's really starting to use his back and topline more effectively.

The down side, we seem to have lost our impulsion :( In fact, he travels so little that my trainer says if he traveled any less we would be doing Piaffe instead of trotting. All for feet are coming off the ground nicely, he just doesn't go forward.

So far my trainer only has me "bumping" him with my legs with his trot rhythm to encourage forward movement, but it doesn't seem to help much.
He just curves his neck and goes behind the bit instead. Now, I'm not "bashing" my trainer, or complaining etc etc...don't think that PLEASE, I adore her. I am just asking for some more ideas to encourage him to travel forward more as we are only showing Training level and I really don't think they want our test to take twice as long as it should because I can't get my horse to move forward.

I have never used spurs on him, and don't really want to as I am not happy with my legs right now and I have just recently gotten him to stop lurching forward with any leg contact so I don't want to get back to square one. But all and any other ideas are very very welcome.
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    08-05-2012, 08:16 PM
  #20
Trained
Cinny, that advice doesn't matter if you're on your own horse, shetland pony, or a grand prix school master. Constantly bumping a horse's sides, is NOT how a trained dressage horse is taught to work. No matter which language you speak, which country you're in, which breed of horse you're riding - constantly nagging is GOING to deaden the reaction.
     

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