Originally Posted by Clava
You do of course need the muscle in the correct place but it needs to be developed by correct riding so the the collection and contact of the reins is all part of that. A fixed side rein doesn't encourage a balanced self carriage or correct contact of the horse seeking the bit and can often result in the horse fixing it's neck into the outline in a forced shape so when you ride they might be behind the bit and not moving into it. I would rather see a horse naturally stretching down (which helps topline) than in sides reins and you will learn so much more if the schooling is ridden schooling with a good instructor. Lovely horse by the way
Trust me when I ride, he still tries to throw his nose in the air. His upside down neck is 8 years in the making, his high nose is 8 years of habit. The lines are only for building muscle, but I do not ride with any gadget. I think if we were trying to force a frame we would be tempted to put a german martingale on him or something else to that effect but we don't.
Don't get me wrong, I did pay attention to and respect what you have said and it has brought up some more questions for my trainer. A lot of what everyone here says makes a lot of sense and I will be incorporating it into my questions/discussions with my trainer.
I value and respect everyone's opinion. :)