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    12-22-2011, 11:22 PM
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Weanling
Cleaner canter transition?

Bailey and I have been working on our canter transitions and I'm wondering how I can get a cleaner canter depart. Sometimes she has to get revved up about five to ten steps to break into the canter which means faster, more strung out trot.

Am I throwing her off with my balance? Once we get there, she's fine and will stay in the canter but maybe my weight should be back more? What am I doing wrong?

Also, how can I encourange more hindend engagement at the canter?

Thanks.
     
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    12-22-2011, 11:55 PM
  #2
Trained
If she needs to be "revved up" to canter, you're doing it wrong.
     
    12-23-2011, 01:03 AM
  #3
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
Bailey and I have been working on our canter transitions and I'm wondering how I can get a cleaner canter depart. Sometimes she has to get revved up about five to ten steps to break into the canter which means faster, more strung out trot.

Am I throwing her off with my balance? Once we get there, she's fine and will stay in the canter but maybe my weight should be back more? What am I doing wrong?

Also, how can I encourange more hindend engagement at the canter?

Thanks.
Just what aids are you using?

Canter aids are vastly different than trot aids and if you are using clear canter aids the horse should not respond with a fast trot.......unless they don't understand the canter aid.

OR

When you ask for the canter the horse was not properly set up for it.
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    12-23-2011, 09:24 AM
  #4
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
When you ask for the canter the horse was not properly set up for it.
I'm thinking this.

After you mentioned that I am not properly setting her up, I found this article online. I think it will help me.

Get the Canter You Want

Thanks.
     
    12-23-2011, 10:11 AM
  #5
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
I'm thinking this.

After you mentioned that I am not properly setting her up, I found this article online. I think it will help me.

Get the Canter You Want

Thanks.

Sort of but DO NOT EVER use this part in that article..

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With the hips-over rein cue, ask for a "haunches-in," which will position your horse to pick up the correct lead.
For they are asking you to create a crooked horse to get the canter. That article would be used mostly by western riders who seem to want to throw the haunches in to get a canter/lope. Some English riders do this but not in a purposeful way but because they over use the outside leg back and create a crooked horse.

You would be better off doing a shoulder fore/in and then asking for the canter.

The lengthening and shorting in the article will help as it will give you control of the speed/collection.

You might also read this thread here that I created regarding aids.

Applying aids from walk to trot to canter.
     
    12-23-2011, 10:17 AM
  #6
Yearling
I taught a horse to pick up a canter from a walk. What I did was, sat up tall, almost stayed deep in the saddle, squeezed and with my inside leg at first I would have to kick him, or tap him on the butt with a crop...just so he would jump into it. Within 2 months, he was jumping into the canter from a walk, with just light pressure with my inside leg.
     
    12-23-2011, 10:43 AM
  #7
Showing
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
I taught a horse to pick up a canter from a walk.
I was just discussing this with my dressage trainer last lesson. I worked quite a bit on the trot-canter transitions lately trying to get it as smooth and on contact as possible, and since we were getting there I decided to work on walk-canter.

First, I noticed it's obviously easier for the horse to do and the connection and "smoothness" are easier to keep. Second, my instructor wasn't all that happy that I do it. The reason she gave is because different set of muscles works for either transition. She doesn't mind me to do plenty of trot-canter, with some walk-canter on top of it, but not walk-canter only, because it won't really improve trot-canter transition.

I did bring this up, because I'd be curious to hear what other people have to say about it.
     
    12-23-2011, 12:38 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
I taught a horse to pick up a canter from a walk.
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I was just discussing this with my dressage trainer last lesson. I worked quite a bit on the trot-canter transitions lately trying to get it as smooth and on contact as possible, and since we were getting there I decided to work on walk-canter.

First, I noticed it's obviously easier for the horse to do and the connection and "smoothness" are easier to keep. Second, my instructor wasn't all that happy that I do it. The reason she gave is because different set of muscles works for either transition. She doesn't mind me to do plenty of trot-canter, with some walk-canter on top of it, but not walk-canter only, because it won't really improve trot-canter transition.
I only see the requirement in 4th level dressage to do halt-canter or canter-halt. The rest is halt-trot or trot-canter. So I guess you're just wanting to teach your horse to canter from a standstill for fun or for some kind of gymkhana game?

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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Just what aids are you using?

Canter aids are vastly different than trot aids and if you are using clear canter aids the horse should not respond with a fast trot.......unless they don't understand the canter aid.

OR

When you ask for the canter the horse was not properly set up for it.
Can't it also be due to a green/unbalanced horse?

Just trying to learn is all :)
     
    12-23-2011, 01:48 PM
  #9
Green Broke
How much transition work do you do before hand? Are they clean? Does she stay with a nice contact or lengthen out?

If she does, then you need to bring her more on to her hind, and correctly ridden transitions will help loads with this. Walk to trot to halt to trot. Half a dozen on a circle. Get her hind under neath her- the article was very good though.

GL!
     
    12-23-2011, 02:01 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    

Can't it also be due to a green/unbalanced horse?
Yes but you don't say that because the horse is young that you don't make attempts to MAKE it better balance by using training techniques that will help it get better in its balance..


Working the horse at more advance techniques is the reason experienced trainers can get a 4/5 year old doing things most would take 3 years to accomplish.
     

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