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    12-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Yes but you don't say that because the horse is young that you don't make attempts to MAKE it better balance by using training techniques that will help it get better in its balance..


Working the horse at more advance techniques is the reason experienced trainers can get a 4/5 year old doing things most would take 3 years to accomplish.
But of course, thanks Spyder :)
     
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    12-23-2011, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
I only see the requirement in 4th level dressage to do halt-canter or canter-halt. The rest is halt-trot or trot-canter. So I guess you're just wanting to teach your horse to canter from a standstill for fun or for some kind of gymkhana game?
Actually, not halt-canter, but working walk-canter (for me, not sure about Erika). Just trying something different for one/two times in the end of my ride.
     
    12-23-2011, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Actually, not halt-canter, but working walk-canter (for me, not sure about Erika). Just trying something different for one/two times in the end of my ride.
Oh that makes more sense.. I keep trying halt-trot and my horse just looks at me like I'm crazy. At least with walk they have enough momentum to pick up a canter, hopefully :P
     
    12-23-2011, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Oh that makes more sense.. I keep trying halt-trot and my horse just looks at me like I'm crazy. At least with walk they have enough momentum to pick up a canter, hopefully :P

The walk -- canter is higher up in the testing level for a reason.

There is no impulsion at a halt. The horse must literally be able to sit and use its haunches to get a clean transition and that requires a build up of muscle structure to support this position....that takes time.
     
    12-24-2011, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
I keep trying halt-trot and my horse just looks at me like I'm crazy.
My qh does that when asked (I practice from time to time since you have to trot off the halt in the beginning of the test). I never tried halt-canter, but as Spyder said I doubt she has enough strength/knowledge to do it. Would be interesting to try, but I really want to have a green light from my trainer for that before trying. :)
     
    12-24-2011, 10:51 PM
  #16
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Good point Val, plus we gotta get good at the walk-trot first :P
     
    12-27-2011, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
I'm thinking this.

After you mentioned that I am not properly setting her up, I found this article online. I think it will help me.

Get the Canter You Want

Thanks.
Seriously confusing article.

What gets a good canter? An active trot with the horse listening to the rider.

Aids
Sitting trot
Slightly flex horses head to the inside (corner of the eye visible - no more)
Inside leg on the girth
Outside leg behind the girth - slightly stronger than the inside to define leg lead
Ask just as you come into the shortside of the arena.

Problems
Rider tipping forward when asking loading the shoulders of the horse
Dropping the rein contact - allowing horse to run into the canter - this is what I think your problem may be.

Correcting
Think up and away from the horses head - keep the contact on the reins so the trot doesn't increase in speed.
Carry a schooling whip in your outside hand, use this along with your outside leg to set the horse into the correct sequence of legs.

Sequence of legs
Outside hind leg
Inside hind leg and outside foreleg together
Inside foreleg - also known as the leading leg.
     
    12-27-2011, 12:05 PM
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Tnavas, you are asking for the canter with the inside leg and a seat, the outside leg is used just to prevent the haunches from swinging out. You also don't really have to go to the sitting trot to ask (I do rising one, just seat one stride and ask).
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    12-27-2011, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Tnavas, you are asking for the canter with the inside leg and a seat, the outside leg is used just to prevent the haunches from swinging out. You also don't really have to go to the sitting trot to ask (I do rising one, just seat one stride and ask).
No - the correct aids for canter includes the sitting trot, very important - not just one stride but two or three, these are used by the rider to increase the activity of the hind legs, to rebalance the horse and to place the horse correctly for the canter.

The outside leg asks for the canter as it brings the 1st leg of the sequence through (the outside hind leg), the inside leg then keeps the canter going.
     
    12-27-2011, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
No - the correct aids for canter includes the sitting trot, very important - not just one stride but two or three, these are used by the rider to increase the activity of the hind legs, to rebalance the horse and to place the horse correctly for the canter.

The outside leg asks for the canter as it brings the 1st leg of the sequence through (the outside hind leg), the inside leg then keeps the canter going.
To attain the canter.

Outer leg just behind the girth to limit the lateral flexion and guard against the haunches swinging out, along with a sustaining outside rein.

The inside leg at the girth to drive the horse forward

This make the outside hind leg alight prematurely causing the diagonal sequence of the trot ( outside hind/inside fore) to break up. The driving INSIDE leg now controls the more stronger thrust of the outside hind which at this moment is grounded and bearing more weight and allows the inside fore to to advance more forward.
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