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    12-27-2011, 03:12 PM
  #31
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
I wasn't really asking for where you're trainer trained... we could all go in to that all day long.. I was asking about canter transitions, and from there my understanding of your canter transitions is how I ask my horse to half pass...
My reference to the trainer was that the Spanish Riding School is very classical and that their methods of training well proven and that this is what I was taught.

As I said earlier - I have no problems with my horses in lateral work or changes, and that there are two schools of thought as to how to ask the horse to canter. I prefer to keep to the classical method.
     
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    12-27-2011, 03:18 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
I prefer to keep to the classical method.
Nice to know that so many beginner trainers are teaching new riders the classical method.
     
    12-27-2011, 03:24 PM
  #33
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Nice to know that so many beginner trainers are teaching new riders the classical method.
Not quite sure how to take this!

I'm not a beginner trainer - I've been teaching for over 40 years and have had riders and horses competing internationally.

I also train instructors and still enjoy teaching novice riders.
     
    12-27-2011, 03:35 PM
  #34
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
My reference to the trainer was that the Spanish Riding School is very classical and that their methods of training well proven and that this is what I was taught.

As I said earlier - I have no problems with my horses in lateral work or changes, and that there are two schools of thought as to how to ask the horse to canter. I prefer to keep to the classical method.
My trainer was also taught classically, so I see no reason as to why she'd teach me any other way, but what I was asking was how do you then get your horse to respond to you when you ask for a half pass in walk and trot when your aids for canter are the same as mine for half pass...
     
    12-27-2011, 03:42 PM
  #35
Yearling
In canter its used as a little nudge and for lateral work is more held against and pressed. Also the leg is used in not quite the same place. For lateral work my leg is usually further back than for the aid to canter.

Head is also thinking different action.
     
    12-27-2011, 03:46 PM
  #36
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
In canter its used as a little nudge and for lateral work is more held against and pressed. .

If you look at the top riders doing lateral/half passes they never hold the outside leg against the body. The rider's leg has to move in motion of the legs/gait motion.

Having a leg in one place all the time results in a horse dead to the aids.
     
    12-27-2011, 03:50 PM
  #37
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
In canter its used as a little nudge and for lateral work is more held against and pressed. Also the leg is used in not quite the same place. For lateral work my leg is usually further back than for the aid to canter.

Head is also thinking different action.

Okay, but I prefer my aids to be more 'invisible aids' so therefore prefer that if I have to put my leg behind the girth for anything, I'm not having my leg so far back I loose contact with my entire leg... that's why I ask for canter on the inside leg, so my outside leg is free for lateral movements when required.
If I have my outside leg on for canter, then ask for canter half pass, I'm more likely to confuse the aids to my horse, where as if I ask for canter on the inside leg, and then use my outside leg to take the horse in to half pass I'll avoid that confusion.
     
    12-27-2011, 03:56 PM
  #38
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Having a leg in one place all the time results in a horse dead to the aids.
If the horse is trained to move away obediently from the soft pressure his sides will not become deadened!

A lot of horses are over ridden - one of mine used to really flummoux the 'must use inside leg' riders. I had one rider get off him puffing and panting from the exertion of getting him going.

She nagged at him constantly but when questioned never once had used her mind as well. This horse in particular if you didn't ask with your mind - he just didn't respond. She got back on rode him with her mind as well and was blown away as to how easy he was to ride.
     
    12-27-2011, 07:51 PM
  #39
Showing
All I know is that when I asked my horse to canter, my inside leg was at the girth. My outside leg was a little behind the girth. I squeezed both, and drove with my seat and he picked it up on the correct lead and kept it until I put more weight down in my legs.

Now I don't know if that's necessarily the correct way, but having my outside leg behind that girth helped him to keep his hind end behind him rather than swinging out.. and having my inside leg at the girth served two purposes: driving him forward along with my seat, and keeping him from dumping into the inside.

All I know is that it worked :P!
     
    12-28-2011, 09:56 AM
  #40
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
My reference to the trainer was that the Spanish Riding School is very classical and that their methods of training well proven and that this is what I was taught.
Tnavas, my instructor was studying at the Spanish Riding School as well. As well as several other known places. I still stand my original post though about the cues for the canter and that there is no real need to go into the long sitting trot to ask for the canter transition.
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