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    02-18-2010, 01:03 AM

I am going to put up a series of dressage definitions for discussion so as a supplement to the suppleness thread, crookedness is almost as least known ( or fuzzy in understanding).


Crookedness is produced when one hind leg evades the even loading of weight by not advancing forward but to the side. This will result in the horse moving in a direction that is not in the direction of motion.

This is one of the most difficult evasions to correct as many will think their horse is straight but in fact is not.

I am putting these threads up for discussion and questions that may be asked by those starting ( or advancing) in dressage but not fully understanding some of the basic principles.
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    02-18-2010, 01:32 PM
That's a toughie! I can think through the difference between leg-yield and shoulder-in, or shoulder-fore, but to tell the truth, it's often a toss-up when I'm trying to ride one or the other.
    02-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by Beling    
That's a toughie! I can think through the difference between leg-yield and shoulder-in, or shoulder-fore, but to tell the truth, it's often a toss-up when I'm trying to ride one or the other.

Can you elaborate? Since leg yield and SI/SF are completely different, I'm not understanding where your problem lies.
    02-18-2010, 06:22 PM
Very different movements, you really need to elaborate on that. Leg yield the horse is crossing both front and hind legs with a straight body and flexed slightly away from the direction of travel. Shoulder in/shoulder fore the horse is bent around the inside leg, the hind legs travelling on a straight line, the outside fore leg stepping in the same line as the inside hind leg, and the inside foreleg on its own track to the inside - the horse works on 3 tracks.

Two totally different movements ;)
    02-18-2010, 07:09 PM
Green Broke
Oooooo I have been waiting to see if anyone was going to bring this topic up in dressage. Haha I remember first learning about crookedness..... Everysingle time I got on my horse it would bother me and compeletly drive me up the walls when he was crooked, but I didnt know what the problem was! Haha then janet taught me about straightness -_- now its impossible for me to ride a horse without trying to straighten it a little, xD
    02-18-2010, 07:19 PM
The biggest single mistake most people do when riding in the arena is to have the horse abosutely parell to the wall.

In this the rider is putting the outside of the horse so that the front end is the same distance from the wall as the rear and that in itself creates a crooked horse.

I just know that will have everyone scratching their
    02-18-2010, 07:25 PM
Green Broke
One of the ways my instructor explained it which made a little light-bulb appear over my head was: its almost like them being right 'handed' and soem left, except they have four legs, lol.
    02-18-2010, 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Spyder    
I just know that will have everyone scratching their
Did you have to go there so soon?! At least let them warm up to the idea of straightness.
    02-18-2010, 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Mercedes    
Did you have to go there so soon?! At least let them warm up to the idea of straightness.


I can still remember my old mentor yelling at the top of his french voice (and we know how excited the French get) that he will personally come over and whip me into shape ( lol) if I EVER allowed this error to happen.
    02-20-2010, 02:08 PM
When I think "crooked" the next thought is, bring the forehand around a bit to get that inside leg working under more. My aim is to have my horse bending around my inside leg. BUT you know how it goes, sometimes she'll just turn her head, or angle inwards but without much of a bend-- this usually happens because we don't have enough energy going and I'm not on the seat enough-- anyway, then I get fixated on the sidways-ness, and use my leg further back, or even touch with the whip, but then, I'm quite sure, what I'm getting is a leg-yield...??... What I'm trying to do now is avoid all that, and if I feel she's not coming around the way I want, I go briskly forward, straight ahead.


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