difference between 'testing' connection and giving inside rein as a reward???
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Riding Horses > English Riding > Dressage

difference between 'testing' connection and giving inside rein as a reward???

This is a discussion on difference between 'testing' connection and giving inside rein as a reward??? within the Dressage forums, part of the English Riding category
  • Release inside rein to test collection outside rein
  • No contact oninside rein

Like Tree3Likes
  • 1 Post By Beling
  • 2 Post By tinyliny

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    02-01-2012, 07:46 AM
  #1
Foal
difference between 'testing' connection and giving inside rein as a reward???

I have recently joined Jane Savoie's website and really love the videos and emails etc. But just a quick question.

When I am riding in my lessons and the horse is tracking up and has a good connection I have been told to give with the inside rein as a reward (or a thanks) but keep the contact with the outside rein. When he is resisting or thinking about coming above the bit, to use the inside rein to prevent this.

So pretty much a regular contact with the outside, but more of a give and take with the inside rein. My question is, how is this different to the video in which Jane talks about giving the inside rein to 'test the connection'? Or is every give with the rein a mini-test of how through the horse is???
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    02-01-2012, 09:23 AM
  #2
Weanling
When Jane speaks of testing the connection the idea is that when you give withthe inside rein the head does NOT automatically turn to the outside rein. You do this by using the inside leg at the girth to maintain the bend.
     
    02-01-2012, 06:37 PM
  #3
Foal
Valentina - Thanks so much for the reply, but my instructor has me doing this when giving with the inside rein - I actually thought that is what people mean when they talk about riding inside leg to outside rein (or is that something different)?

I guess what I meant to ask, is the only difference between a release as a reward and a release as a 'test' the duration of the release?
     
    02-02-2012, 03:47 PM
  #4
Weanling
Hmmm. I think that by the time you can give a "release as a test" it will no longer be a reward, because your horse won't need or even understand it as a reward. That is, he will by this time be comfortable and seeking the contact of the bit; so what's good about losing it?

The test, in my understanding, is to see that he is stretching and the energy is going through from his hind. A horse who is heavy in front will be leaning on the rein somewhat, so if his head moves outwards when you release it, he is probably not balancing well.

So when do you use it as a reward? I had a hard time getting my horse to accept the bit, and I would "give away" the rein whenever she would finally relax her head and jaw; and yes, the contact was stronger then. Eventually the hold got lighter, and the release lighter. But it wasn't until I finally got a good lesson that I discovered I was giving away too much, that she didn't need the "reward" any longer-- being quiet and riding with only the seat WAS the "reward."
tinyliny likes this.
     
    02-04-2012, 11:53 PM
  #5
Foal
Hmmm. I think that by the time you can give a "release as a test" it will no longer be a reward, because your horse won't need or even understand it as a reward. That is, he will by this time be comfortable and seeking the contact of the bit; so what's good about losing it?
Thanks for the response Beling It was helpful and actually got me thinking about it differently.

The horse I am riding is not mine - he was owned by a lady at the stable I am taking lessons and when she left the country she gave her horse to them. He actually doesnt resist against the bit and seeks a contact quite well (suprisingly so when compared to the other horses I have ridden - but I guess that's because I am the only one riding him so strictly speaking he isnt really a lesson horse so doesnt have those tricks)

I guess what is confusing me is that at the beginning I felt like I had too much weight in my hands (it took me forever to actually get that connection - I had him moving forwards and tracking up - but did not provide a contact for him to reach for). Since then this has changed, but I feel like the weight I have in my hands is too different? The contact with my outside rein is supporting and more constant and the inside rein is used to soften and then give (so at times the weight in the hands are quite different) is this the case with most people???

Maybe the thing that is confusing me (as you mentioned) is that I am giving too much with the inside, will find out this week (if the sun over the weekend has dried the arena enough)

Cheers
     
    02-05-2012, 01:56 AM
  #6
Super Moderator
I think it's the stage where you , on the continuem of development as a rider. First you may have the horse heavey in your hands, then maybe too light and then you start to learn the give and take and give, and you start being able to seperate you hands and what they do and giving the inside rein, maybe too much, thus having a large difference in what you hold in each one. Eventually, you get better at not giving so much in the inside hand and being able to actually give a little in the outside hand at times.
I think I am still at the place where I often hold two very different amounts of weight in each hand, but once in ahile , I feel them match each other.
     

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Inside Leg to Outside Rein Spastic_Dove Dressage 15 07-30-2011 10:34 AM
"Tight" outside rein, loose inside rein Gilly English Riding 2 06-08-2011 11:03 AM
Inside rein Shasta1981 Dressage 6 06-06-2011 11:03 PM
Can you help me understand inside rein and outside leg??? ak_showgirl Horse Training 10 11-16-2008 04:53 AM
Inside leg to outside rein freerider Horse Training 3 07-08-2008 03:25 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0