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    They are a great teaching aid 22 51.16%
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        11-18-2012, 02:38 PM
      #81
    Green Broke
    So, please let me get my head round this.

    You and your trainer are buting this horse up to make him rideable...? That isn't care of a horse..that is trying to squeeze every last ounce out. IF my horse ever had to be buted, he would be in a paddock or a box and brought into correct, light work once he was off it.

    Maybe others have different opinions but if my horse isn't sound to ride I won't drug him for it.

    Also because he was 8 when he started work is regardless..Doey was started at three and still going..if you take care of the horse you will get longevity from it. Older horses require a lot more long and low work. They need longer to warm up and longer break phases in the ride. If your horse is sore after you have ridden something is going wrong.
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        11-18-2012, 02:48 PM
      #82
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    So, please let me get my head round this.

    You and your trainer are buting this horse up to make him rideable...? That isn't care of a horse..that is trying to squeeze every last ounce out. IF my horse ever had to be buted, he would be in a paddock or a box and brought into correct, light work once he was off it.

    Maybe others have different opinions but if my horse isn't sound to ride I won't drug him for it.

    Also because he was 8 when he started work is regardless..Doey was started at three and still going..if you take care of the horse you will get longevity from it. Older horses require a lot more long and low work. They need longer to warm up and longer break phases in the ride. If your horse is sore after you have ridden something is going wrong.
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    No. I never said I was "buting my horse up to ride him," or "squeezing every last ounce out." That means imo that you are giving your horse bute after nearly every ride. In our case we only give him bute if he is sore which is very occasional like after doing a lot of jumping...in which case he would get the week off and an appropriate amount of bute. The last time he got bute was about 2 or 3 months ago. I ride him 3-5 days a week, giving him plenty of time to warm up and give him walk breaks frequently. If I feel we have had an intense ride...then the next day I will either ride him gently or not at all.

    My horse is sound...please pay attention. I didn't say he was sore after every time I ride. This is what I can't stand...people jumping to conclusions and not really reading what was said.
         
        11-18-2012, 02:57 PM
      #83
    Weanling
    But tbh, you;re pretty good at contradicting yourself to agree with with different people on here to sound like you know what you're doing... it looks pretty bad. And I agree, changing what's in the mouth doesn;t change the body, sorry. Give your poor old man a break.
         
        11-18-2012, 03:02 PM
      #84
    Green Broke
    Ding ding ding minstrel. That was my best impression of a bell ;)

    Don't just read parts of what I wrote OP. Read it all.

    If your horse is sore from too much jumping, x, y or z and needs bute and a week off then he is doing TOO much for his condition. Oldies can do jumping, by all means but they need to be conditioned.

    I would hate to jump to conclusions..but if you are having the issues you are describing, any amount of "refining" with more metal in his mouth will not make a difference. Taking him back to long and low and big loops, working up to a better level of dressage over 4-5months is required.
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        11-18-2012, 03:04 PM
      #85
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by minstrel    
    But tbh, you;re pretty good at contradicting yourself to agree with with different people on here to sound like you know what you're doing... it looks pretty bad. And I agree, changing what's in the mouth doesn;t change the body, sorry. Give your poor old man a break.

    Could you be more specific? In no way did I say that I am buting my horse after every ride...wasn't thought, isn't done, and wasn't said. However, if me or my instructor felt he was sore then yes he would get time off and some bute. Perhaps things aren't always one or the other...it's not that I never bute him and its not that I always bute him.
         
        11-18-2012, 03:12 PM
      #86
    Green Broke
    Maybe it is just me but I would want to know WHAT is causing the soreness as, pardon my jumping to conclusions, that it is riding/rider related.

    As a horse gets older their jaws slope. It means they have a lot less room in their mouths compared to say..a 15yo. Just another thing to throw in the mix there. How much metal are you trying to actually fit in his gob :/
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        11-18-2012, 03:13 PM
      #87
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    ding ding ding minstrel. That was my best impression of a bell ;)

    Don't just read parts of what I wrote OP. Read it all.

    If your horse is sore from too much jumping, x, y or z and needs bute and a week off then he is doing TOO much for his condition. Oldies can do jumping, by all means but they need to be conditioned.

    I would hate to jump to conclusions..but if you are having the issues you are describing, any amount of "refining" with more metal in his mouth will not make a difference. Taking him back to long and low and big loops, working up to a better level of dressage over 4-5months is required.
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    So because there was a few times he needed bute, after doing some jumping in which he gets excited about, and we thought perhaps he was a bit sore, then we are trying to "squeeze every last ounce out?" So in your opinion, bute should never ever be used? Especially on older horses? Really? Because that's how it sounds.

    And at the comment, "any amount of 'refining' with more metal in his mouth will not make a difference," first off I'd like to say that the double bridle doesn't just work because of "more metal." It is a bit more involved than that. And also...now is sounds like you are saying that double bridles should not be used to refine...

    What would taking him back to long and low and big loops do exactly? Please explain...
         
        11-18-2012, 03:19 PM
      #88
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Maybe it is just me but I would want to know WHAT is causing the soreness as, pardon my jumping to conclusions, that it is riding/rider related.

    As a horse gets older their jaws slope. It means they have a lot less room in their mouths compared to say..a 15yo. Just another thing to throw in the mix there. How much metal are you trying to actually fit in his gob :/
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    No that's fine. I like to figure out what is making him sore as well...so it doesn't happen. Sometimes it can be a balancing act, finding out how much I can push him without going over the edge. As with any horse.

    And no his head is plenty big enough; I had my instructor take a look and yeah there is enough room. It isn't hitting any teeth or doing any other damage.
         
        11-18-2012, 03:32 PM
      #89
    Green Broke
    Its not about hitting teeth, you will need a bit specialist or an equine dentist.

    Pushing is fine, but then you expect a need for a longer warm up, not bute!

    Going back to long and low and big loops was a typical sarcastic comment we use in Germany when you are required to go back yo the start eiyh your horse in an attempt to undo any bad training.

    Its not only a bit that will refine a horse. Or two, for that matter. I am still in a daze that you cannot see the wood for the trees when many many people have attempted to help educate you in the errors of your ways, most of which ride to a MUCH higher standard and it goes in one ear nd out the other.
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        11-18-2012, 03:43 PM
      #90
    Weanling
    First, you tell us that he needs help from a double to straighten him. We tell you a double can't do that, it's for refinement. Then you tell us he's a schoolmaster and that it is for refinement. We ask why a schoolmaster can't go straight in a snaffle, and you tell us he's had the training, but he's an older boy who needs the double to help him get the right muscles to achieve the movements again in the snaffle. We tell you again that the double can't fix body issues, and say that if he's an older lad finding it hard why don't you take it easy on him, and give him an easier life with a bit of bute if needed. Then you tell us you bute him already when he's sore. We look at each other and shake our heads, wondering why the hell an older horse, who finds showing stressful and has obviously achieved these movements when younger but is now finding basic straightness difficult and is occasionally needing bute after a hard ride(something I never give to a horse I intend to ride, if they need bute to work they shouldn't be working in my opinion, light hacking at absolute maximum) is being put under the pressure of a double bridle!

    And you wonder why I accuse you of contradicting yourself.
         

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