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        05-23-2009, 06:15 PM
      #11
    Trained
    OH! I read that wrong - I read it as dressage creates crippled horses...*smacks forehead*

    SORRY! I read that completley wrong.

    So this is obviously coming from someone who has very little, to no knowledge/experience/trianing in dressage what-so-ever - so they are probobly going around the jumping course very poorly.

    Just as CJ8Sky said - they obviously aren't educated to the fact that dressage is the fundamentals to educated jumping.

    I am curious to read this thread Spyder. I would love to read the responses to this persons comment.
         
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        05-23-2009, 06:18 PM
      #12
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    OH! I read that wrong - I read it as dressage creates crippled horses...*smacks forehead*

    SORRY! I read that completley wrong.

    So this is obviously coming from someone who has very little, to no knowledge/experience/trianing in dressage what-so-ever - so they are probobly going around the jumping course very poorly.

    Just as CJ8Sky said - they obviously aren't educated to the fact that dressage is the fundamentals to educated jumping.

    I am curious to read this thread Spyder. I would love to read the responses to this persons comment.
    I won't link to another forum but there were complains and the OP back down saying it was an inside joke but read my previous post...joke or not the staff should have deleted it but didn't.

    Well that is their business.
         
        05-23-2009, 06:24 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Ok, I've said this before and I'll say it again -

    I find it funny how lower level riders do what they can to mimic GP level riders. They see pictures, or watch them on the telly and have to copy them.

    Some GP riders post their horses canter, so everyone else mimics them without understanding why - right *we discussed this spyder* or they see Rodrigo Pessoa in a Mikmar Combination bit, so everyone else has to copy them.

    OH MY GOODNESS, GP riders now use GPA's, I have to get one too! Same with Jointed Irons and the list goes on and on - mimicing.

    BUT the only thing these lower level riders are NOT mimicing, is the process of educated trianing that goes into these horses on a daily basis, to be the successful jumpers that we see.

    DRESSAGE.

    If GP Jumpers spend 5-6 days doing dressage with their horses, there is a strong reason behind it.

    So instead of mimicing the GP riders "style" of riding or "style" of clothing - mimic their education. Mimic their training - learn why they do what they do.

    People are quick to mimic without understanding the fundamentals and the steps that are needed to be taken to get to that point of skill.
         
        05-23-2009, 06:29 PM
      #14
    Showing
    I know virtually nothing about dressage but just watching it, it is obvious that a crippled horse could never complete some of those movements. It is the same principle as any other performance sport, you have to have a sound horse to do well.
         
        05-23-2009, 06:33 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    That's ridiculous.
    Sounds like it came from one of the jumpers who ride their horses over fences incorrectly.
    I'm not a jumper, but when I was at the big annual show last year I watched a jumpers class with my best mate/instructor and she was explaining to me what to find. By the end of the first round I could tell which horse had a solid foundation in dressage and the horses that are point, shoot, kick, whip, then jump types. In my opinion Dressage to me has always been seen as the foundation to any equestrian pursuits.
    CJ82Sky - brilliant post, completely agree!
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        05-23-2009, 06:37 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Quote:
    I was at the big annual show last year I watched a jumpers class with my best mate/instructor and she was explaining to me what to find. By the end of the first round I could tell which horse had a solid foundation in dressage and the horses that are point, shoot, kick, whip, then jump types. In my opinion Dressage to me has always been seen as the foundation to any equestrian pursuits.
    Great post and I am so pleased that you were able to go to a Jumper comp and see for yourself what dressage does for the horses and competators in the jumper ring.

    Don't take this the wrong way, but it is pretty sad when someone who doesn't do jumpers, can see clearly the difference between a ride with a horse who has dressage fundamentals in compareson to a horse/rider team who does not.

    Why can't those who do the sport, who feel dressage is nonsense see this?
         
        05-23-2009, 06:58 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    

    Great post and I am so pleased that you were able to go to a Jumper comp and see for yourself what dressage does for the horses and competators in the jumper ring.

    Don't take this the wrong way, but it is pretty sad when someone who doesn't do jumpers, can see clearly the difference between a ride with a horse who has dressage fundamentals in compareson to a horse/rider team who does not.

    Why can't those who do the sport, who feel dressage is nonsense see this?
    Thanks!
    Yeah, I didn't take it badly... I like to know the fundamentals to other equestrian pursuits too, although I might not like my horses to fly over jumps with me on their backs anymore (when I was a kid all you had to say was 'go jump' and I'd choose the biggest one lol), I do like to understand what it's all about.
    I don't get how people can put down one sport against the next. I think, personally its the impression people get from dressage. I have noticed that if you tell someone you're a horse rider, you get called a snob... you say that you're a dressage rider and automatically they imagine you sitting on some fancyyyy warmblood, in top hat and tails and you're seen as a mega-snob. It's the hype around dressage in the eyes of the inexperienced, who only understand it by what they see on TV, the ritz and glam of the sport. And while I'm making generalisations here (I don't see it this way but I know a lot do), jumping is seen as fast paced excitement and anything goes in the jumpers ring. Jumping, because of it's obvious activity thrills more people.
    But those who watch dressage respect the subtlety it brings - at lower and more advanced levels.
    I personally don't own a warmblood, infact I own two Standardbreds who used to be racehorses. One has really lovely expressive movement, and the other has the best attitude to work with. And they both do dressage basics at home. But when I have said to some people that I'm an amateur dressage rider, well I'm not really seen for what I'm worth.
    Oh and as for dressage horses are the ones who just can't make it as a jumper, my gelding can fly over 1.15m like its nothing. And my best mate's Elementary dressage/show horse is doing his first season as an Eventer at the moment, and boy can he jump!
    I find it so frustrating when people make statements that they so cannot back up with fact.
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        05-23-2009, 09:55 PM
      #18
    Started
    People make stupid comments all the time. The same people also insulted those with special needs. Needless to say, I deleted all my info from that forum.
         
        05-25-2009, 11:51 PM
      #19
    Trained
    It's obviously because dressage is so incredibly easy.
         
        05-30-2009, 11:04 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    My opinion to that quote:
    Crippled jumpers? Disagree
    Failed jumpers? Agree

    I've known quite a few horses that just weren't very good at jumping and went on to do dressage. My horse, for example, has done prelim a few times in his past with some very advanced riders. I took him training level and he never had a jump penalty his entire eventing career. But about 3 years ago he had a complete meltdown and I had to quit jumping him. He's now a dressage only horse. So yes, part of that comment was stupid, but part not. But yes it was rude to say and offensive to dressage riders.
         

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