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    08-17-2010, 10:18 AM
  #11
Green Broke
OK, are your regular trainers Gillian Rolton and Wendy Schaeffer or did you do a clinic with them once? I don't mean to sound rude but regardless of their dressage specific profficiency, there is no doubt in my mind that if either of those two rode your horse, they would have had her flexing, bending around their leg and collecting.

Sounds to me more like your regular trainers had no luck with your horse and you name dropped those two just to justify why your horse won't collect. Harsh I know and I apologize (hit that exclamation box if you wish) but there are a lot of different things in this post that simply don't add up.
     
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    08-17-2010, 11:03 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by sarahver    
but there are a lot of different things in this post that simply don't add up.

I agree.

I look on any post that states they can do high level movements but are having trouble doing some of the simpler ones with a great deal of skepticism.
     
    08-17-2010, 11:28 AM
  #13
Weanling
First of all: I, too, aspire to Grand Prix dressage (you know, after years of training and hard, hard work on my dressage skills). My mare is older, but she has a "energetic streak" in her, especially if she gets fired up. We were riding in the hay field next to the pasture one day and the horse in the pasture came RUNNING up to the fence and my mare started "showing off" - first she bucked a few times (first time ever), and I immediately pulled her into a one-reined stop, as soon as I released her she started to bolt on me, and somehow (my mistake, I know) she started to do an unintentional piaffe. Seriously. Trotting right in place: even rhythm, TONS of impulsion. At the time I was caught between intrigued and terrified. But, essentially, between the two of us, we were faking it to make it because I was indicating "STOP RIGHT NOW" and she was just being stubborn, lol. There was no "training" going into the reason behind her movement. So, of course, A: I'm excited to know that my mare COULD potentially do that on command one day. And B: We have lots of steps between training level and grand prix to get to that point. Haha. I guess my point being that: just because you and your horse have done certain dressage movements doesn't mean you are necessarily asking correctly, or even that your horse is actually doing it correctly, which indicates that unless you have a true DRESSAGE trainer working with your horse, people might be fiddling with her to try to "fake it till they make it", and not even know that is what they are doing.
     
    08-18-2010, 05:12 AM
  #14
Foal
Ok, first please leave CONTRUCTIVE critism only. Obviously everyone who does dressage is under the illusion that a horse needs to be taught by an expert to do "advanced movements". Haven't you ever watched (even a video of) a wild horse? If you find a very good one, you will see (usually a stallion courting a mare) horses doing "advanced dressage" movements.

Second, I messed up that post, I tried to edit it and it didn't work. Also, I did get regular lessons with Gillian and Wendy, but after my last lesson with a dressage trainer, have stopped to concentrate on my dressage. My new instructor is Marion Von Saagh; I believe she is a Level 3 EFA coach.

I was trying to explain that leg-yield is like half pass, but moving more forwards than sideways, not that half-pass moves forward because it doesn't. Today Angel learnt to bend herself so I don't need help on that anymore.

Also, do not tell me my aids are wrong because everyone is different. I can get my other horse Banjo to do a flying change but my mother can't because LO AND BEHOLD her aids for a flying change are different to mine, hence why it is vice-versa with her horse (she can get him doing some things that I can't get him to do).

Lastly, I have a dressage comp this weekend (at the lowest level, in a simple walk and trot test). I will let you know how that goes. And, I don't want a "Don Schufro lookalike" for God's sake actually READ what I am writing then you might realise my "dressage prospect" (as I said) is a HORSE THAT CAN GO TO GRAND PRIX IS THE OPPOTUNITY ARISES. Please stop arguing about that and try to give me hints and tips because THAT IS WHY I MADE THIS POST

Thankyou. Videos will be on YouTube when I get to a non-school computer that will let me upload videos. Oh and my horse is first and foremost, a show jumper. If all else fails, she will go back to jumping and I'll kiss my eventing and dressage dreams good bye. I joined this forum for help not a bashing on what I've been taught. For all your information, I only started lessons THIS YEAR everything else to do with riding from tacking up to riding racehorses I taught myself through trial and error. I'm not going to change my ways because some random tells me I'm wrong
     
    08-18-2010, 05:25 AM
  #15
Trained
Ah dear, another one who has picked out the criticism and ignored the advice. Oh well, you were offered advice and assistance if wanted, and you have snapped back wanting butterflies and rainbows. In you original post you gave the impression that you considered yourself a very experienced rider ready to train a horse to Grand Prix, but stuck on a horse that isn't good enough. Maybe have a read through your posts and try to see them in the eyes of a reader on this forum. You may be surprised at the tone and indications of your wording.
Now that you have mentioned you have only just started having lessons and are still at school, your previous posts make more sense to me. Head off on your merry way now :)
     
    08-18-2010, 07:49 AM
  #16
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
I was trying to explain that leg-yield is like half pass, but moving more forwards than sideways, not that half-pass moves forward because it doesn't. Today Angel learnt to bend herself so I don't need help on that anymore.
No they are not and a half pass DOES require a forward movement. Glad you were able to get the bend however.

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Also, do not tell me my aids are wrong because everyone is different.
What you described earlier was as if you were steering a car...horses are not cars and THAT is what makes your aids wrong.

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my "dressage prospect" (as I said) is a HORSE THAT CAN GO TO GRAND PRIX IS THE OPPOTUNITY ARISES. Please stop arguing about that and try to give me hints and tips because THAT IS WHY I MADE THIS POST
Actually all horses with decent conformation and ability to learn can do GP...how well they do it is another matter.
     
    08-18-2010, 08:19 AM
  #17
Weanling
I sincerely wish you luck with your training and hope your DRESSAGE trainer helps you. People here were looking at the info they had to work with and utilizing that, approached the "advice" from the standpoint you gave them. The point of my prior post on here is simply that there is a lot of hows and whys that are involved in dressage that it is important to understand on your way "up" in dressage... so it is important that you train with someone who SPECIFICALLY does and KNOWS dressage! You will learn more that way, not just on how to cue your horse, but the reasoning behind it, the technical effects of your specific invisible cue, etc... Hope that makes sense.

PS: and for the record, I understood what you were saying about wanting a "Grand Prix PROSPECT" - not a horse trained to that level, but one with good conformation and no joint or muscle or skeletal problems.
     
    08-18-2010, 08:23 AM
  #18
Trained
I'm glad you found a dressage specific trainer, although not my first pick, she is one of the better ones. You will achieve more with her than Gill and Wendy as far as dressage goes.
     
    08-18-2010, 08:24 AM
  #19
Showing
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
I joined this forum for help not a bashing on what I've been taught. For all your information, I only started lessons THIS YEAR everything else to do with riding from tacking up to riding racehorses I taught myself through trial and error. I'm not going to change my ways because some random tells me I'm wrong
Actually I havn't noticed any bashing. And at least 2 of the responders are very good at dressage, and their advices are always very helpful and make lots of sense (and highly appreciated even by people competing at higher levels).

And I'm sorry to say that, but sometime we are TAUGHT to do things in a wrong way (NOT saying it's your case, just stating a fact). So if someone points out obviously wrong thing may be it's a time to think about and even may be change an instructor.

In any case, good luck with your horse and shows. Dreams is a good thing, and if you really want something it'll come true.
     
    08-18-2010, 08:28 AM
  #20
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
Ok, first please leave CONTRUCTIVE critism only.
Guilty!!

OK, If I were you I would be working on serpentines, figure of eights, 20m circles and cavaletti at walk and trot. Plenty of long and low work - get her to r-e-a-c-h for that bit.

I see that you are new to this forum so sorry for the somewhat harsh introduction. A word of warning though: There are some extremely knowledgeable people on here which makes this forum a great place to find advice. It also means that people will read between the lines of your post and see much more about each situation than just what is written in the words. This means that if contradictory information is given it will be recognized pretty quick smart!
     

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