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    08-18-2010, 10:48 PM
  #21
Foal
Thanks Sarahver and Kayty and kitten_val, you are right I've probably been taught wrong; I'm new to dressage and thought Wendy and Gill would be ok. Kayty, who do you recommend as a very good dressage trainer? I'm willing to pay more for a better trainer, although Marion got straight on Angel and had her rounding and moving really well. I heard that Amanda Evins is very good? Also, I have not ignored the advice, in fact I've tried to put it into practise. I just don't like being criticised after I've tried so hard to take an off-the-track TB without any education and turn her into a proper and correct dressage horse.
     
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    08-18-2010, 11:06 PM
  #22
Trained
If it helps at all, I have had my OTTB for 3 years now, and we are just now finally starting to get the beginnings of true collection. Even then it's coming in bits and pieces. There's no one trainer, book or school of thought to get you there, but forums like these where there are knowledgeable people can be very helpful on your journey.
     
    08-18-2010, 11:45 PM
  #23
Showing
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
Thanks Sarahver and Kayty and kitten_val, you are right I've probably been taught wrong; I'm new to dressage and thought Wendy and Gill would be ok. Kayty, who do you recommend as a very good dressage trainer? I'm willing to pay more for a better trainer, although Marion got straight on Angel and had her rounding and moving really well. I heard that Amanda Evins is very good? Also, I have not ignored the advice, in fact I've tried to put it into practise. I just don't like being criticised after I've tried so hard to take an off-the-track TB without any education and turn her into a proper and correct dressage horse.
MadamKing, I was in your shoes this summer. :) I started taking lessons with eventing instructor, and while she is nice and have some nice horses, I and my horse didn't progress much in 3 months. I started lessons with the very respected dressage trainer in my area (had just 2 so far), and I was truly amazed how different her lessons and approach to the whole training. I wish you to find a great trainer you and your horse will love and progress to Gran Prix!
     
    08-19-2010, 12:07 AM
  #24
Banned
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
I just don't like being criticised after I've tried so hard to take an off-the-track TB without any education and turn her into a proper and correct dressage horse.

You wouldn't be the first person to take untrained horses and try to do better by them. Nor it a fault to look at what others are doing in the hopes of learning. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't.

One thing about criticism .. people can go in a huff feeling because someone told them that was the way to do something in spite of it not working or they an ASK QUESTIONS from the people that are pointing out errors.

People actually learn that way and you will get the same result if you rode a test and the judge pointed out the very things stated here...only you have to pay (entry fee).
     
    08-19-2010, 12:23 AM
  #25
Trained
MadamKing, I will PM you regarding instructors. Marion is certainly very good, and I would stay with her if you are enjoying her lessons. I just know that a lot of people clash considerably with her, and she likes to be right at any cost.

As Spyder said, you're not the only one who has taken a horse from nothing with plans for working it up the levels. Hell, I've had that many horses now that I have purchased purely to learn in myself, different methods of training through various problems. I would LOVE to get to grand prix in the future, but right now, my biggest focus is having a total understanding and ability to execute on any horse I have the chance to ride, the absolutely basics. My current horse is ott as well, I had/have big aspirations for him in dressage, he has been mistaken many a time for a warmblood and he is so honest and willing, that sometimes it is tempting to push that little bit more to play with a few higher movements, as he offers them to me!
I think maybe you are thinking of dressage in the wrong context, which is all too common with not only people starting out in it, but even the ones that ARE riding grand prix. I believe that you may have the mindset that dressage is about all the 'fancy' movements and glamour, I may be wrong, but this is how you have put yourself across on this thread. Instead, try to think of dressage merely as training, with the ultimate goal in that training not being focussed on specific movements, but rather riding a horse that is an absolute pleasure. You want immediate, positive responses in the horse. You don't want to have to work and push and pull to do fancy 'tricks'. Your goal should be to ride in total harmony and ease with your horse, rather than pushing it into the 'tricks'.

I'm assuming this is your first horse also? If so, don't rush! Basics, basics, basics are the key to a good performance, they are the heart of a real dressage horse. Without basics, you have nothing. It should take two years of consistent, solid and correct training to produce a very solid preliminary and novice horse. Prelim and novice are far too often overlooked, people want to get out of them as soon as possible to do the 'fun' stuff, but they are the most important levels of all!

I'm glad you have cooled down now and managed to see where we are coming from in this thread. It is in no way shape or form intended to bash you, merely to inform you and give you a little more direction with a touch of reality. And yes, it IS hard to be told, or given, a different opinion of what you're doing. Particularly when what you're doing isn't working and you think you're doing the right thing.
If you really, desperately want to succeed in dressage, you will need to learn to take on a new attitude, and view every opinion, comment and piece of advice, as helpful, and put it in your 'toolbox'. Collect as much information as you possibly can! Go to different instructors to get different view points and ideas, and when someone recommends that you change what you're doing, listen to them, allow them to explain why they believe this is so, and what you could do differently to improve your performance. Then try their way, if it works better, you've learnt something! And if it makes your ride worse, well then you have another trick up your sleeve that you can try on a different horse, that make react better to that type of training.
     
    08-19-2010, 01:07 AM
  #26
Foal
Hi again everyone!
I have booked another lesson with Marion for tomorrow night then Sunday (Aussie time). I have realised that she has taken me back to the absolute start and teaching me "her way", as if I was a student who never had sat on a horse before. Its her way or the highway! But, if she is teaching me right and well, I'll continue my lessons. What do people think of Heide Talbot? I have been offered a working student position at her farm but apparently she's VERY strict. I don't want to start from scratch again as Angel hates spending half an hour standing still as Marion adjusts my position.
     
    08-19-2010, 01:13 AM
  #27
Trained
Unfortunately that's what it will be like for your just about where ever you go. If your position isn't right, then you won't be an effective rider. This is what I mean when I say you have to get used to taking other people's advice and opinions. Just because you've had a few lessons with wendy and gill, and have your own horse doesn't mean you've learnt correctly right from the beginning. Most coaches will start you from scratch, don't expect to go out and be taught your 'tricks' immediately.

As for Heide, go for it, Take every opportunity you can, if you don't like it, consider it a chance to learn what methods you don't like.
If your mare gets fidgety standing around while your position is focussed on, try having lessons on a school horse for a while, just to get your position more effective.
     
    08-19-2010, 02:05 AM
  #28
Foal
Thing is, Heide is in Victoria, a little too far from home at the moment. Thanks for all your help, everyone. I'll video me and Angel doing Preparatory 2 walk/trot test, which can be found at

EA Preparatory Tests


Thanks! Will video tonight and post on Youtube ASAP
     
    08-19-2010, 02:11 AM
  #29
Trained
If you feel that you have not gained enough instruction here and need to go interstate, then do so. But I think at this stage of your riding career, there is still very much to be gained from the opportunities within the state :)
     
    08-19-2010, 10:27 AM
  #30
Green Broke
That sounds great! Don't worry if you are taken back to raw beginnings as it sounds like that is what may have been needed for you and your horse. Now don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean at all that you are a 'beginner' so to speak but from your original post it sounds like there was an issue somewhere in the basics of your training.

Getting a horse to bend around your leg and flex to the inside are the part of the initial stages of dressage training, so it is important to get these steps correct - everything else is built on the basics! Even if you continue purely with showjumping, everything in your riding will benefit from perfecting the basics, showjumping is really just dressage with obstacles right?

Funny story for you: I evented back home (in Melbourne, Australia) and have competed against Gillian Rolton more than once. The two times I placed ahead of her (mind you she was on a young horse she was bringing up the levels) was because she put in a less than perfect dressage test and didn't make up the ground afterwards. She is one of the best cross country riders I think our country has produced but I probably wouldn't seek dressage instruction from her as Kayty mentioned, most definitely would do a cross country clinic if I had the opportunity though! I guess that makes ME a dirty great big name dropper too he he.

I hope you guys do well, it sounds like you are making progress already.
     

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