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post #31 of 45 Old 04-07-2012, 10:37 PM
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Well I would like to say I'm no novice and painted black in that case doesn't show me collection. And also not just anky isabel werth and many others train like it. As I also stated before MOST of all horses show over collection in upper level dressage not just anky. Go to any arab horse show you would find most all of the horses have there heads in correct position. (And yes if it is in saddleseat or country pleasure its head is high) therefore you can judge the breeds head position if I see most upper level horses heads are held wrong I can draw a conclusion that there is to much being asked if you to that making your horse carry its head like that. Maybe its just me but for an arab to be able to do I must say every other discipline of horse riding I don't see how it is so unfit for dressage because warmbloods are a mix of arab or thoroughbred and a cold blood draft so something must be seen in them to be breed to create an excellent dressage horse.
I didn't even watch the video of Anky, because I think just about every video available on youtube of Anky has been posted around here to 'show' 'modern' dressage.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. YES other breeds can do dressage, YES other breeds can compete at Grand Prix... BUT when you look at numbers of horses in the top of any discpline, the ones that are bred for that discipline make up the highest percentage by a long shot. Not just dressage, ANY discipline.

And no, a warmblood is not a mix of arab/TB and a cold blood. There have been many discussions about that - today's European WB registries, such as a Hanoverian, have been built on centuries upon centuries of selective breeding to create a specific 'type'. Sometimes we infuse a little arab or tb blood in there for refinement, but overall, the type is pure.

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post #32 of 45 Old 04-07-2012, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
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>this came from Warmbloods Horse Breeds Information ..... The warm blooded breeds were created when warriors returned to Europe from the Middle East and Africa with hot blooded Arabian horses captured in battle.Breeding the large, heavy war horses of northern Europe with the lighter, faster and fiery tempered hot bloods from the Mongolian steppes created horse breeds that combine the quickness and agility of race horses with the larger build and milder temperament of cold bloods. Over time, the draft horses of Europe were increasingly bred with hot blooded imports, creating the forerunners of dozens of breeds in existence today. Warmbloods have smaller heads and bodies than draft horses and tend to be less excitable than hot blooded horses, making them good all-round horses for riding and light work.

So yes through years of selective breeding they did refine it but yes a warmblooded horse has roots with arabians and cold bloods.


Well I agree completely with you.

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Yep, many centuries ago there was some crossing of hot and cold breeds, however, the warmblood types today are very specific and not a cross breed.

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Yeah makes sense. Each breed would have its own guidelines and such. Do you ride/train warm bloods in dressage?

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I ride/train dressage in general, and have competed and train a number of non-warmbloods in dressage. In fact, I've only had 2 warmbloods that I've actually taken out and competed, most have been off the track thoroughbreds, and also an arab x, and a QHx!!
So trust me when I say I know other breeds can do it too haha

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Crossing a cold blood and hot blood does not make up for centuries of refinement... I don't agree with calling the foal of a clydesdale and a tb a warmblood (as in, ranking it with a hanoverian), although it's ignorance to deny that warmbloods came from this cross (I'm not saying anyone here did, but I have heard this). The difference is centuries of refinement- Breeds don't just happen in one generation, it takes a lot of time to establish the qualities, etc., which make a breed- whether this results from extreme isolation, or specific crossings by humans, it still takes time.
I personally have no problem with calling a cold x hot blood a warmblood, as it makes sense... the problem is that the term warmblood is already associated with the warmblood breeds, which is why people get so offended. Given time, 'American warmbloods' will become a breed. But a first generation draft x arab is just a cross to me, nothing more than my quarter horse/ arabian. If you cross a qh/arab with a qh/arab, and then cross the baby with a qh/arab, etc., then we're getting somewhere, lol.
These are just my thoughts, I am not in any way slandering any breed or crossbreed.
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I ride/train dressage in general, and have competed and train a number of non-warmbloods in dressage. In fact, I've only had 2 warmbloods that I've actually taken out and competed, most have been off the track thoroughbreds, and also an arab x, and a QHx!!
So trust me when I say I know other breeds can do it too haha
haha. Wow that is awesome! How far up in levels did each breed go or which level are each breed at now?

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Crossing a cold blood and hot blood does not make up for centuries of refinement... I don't agree with calling the foal of a clydesdale and a tb a warmblood (as in, ranking it with a hanoverian), although it's ignorance to deny that warmbloods came from this cross (I'm not saying anyone here did, but I have heard this). The difference is centuries of refinement- Breeds don't just happen in one generation, it takes a lot of time to establish the qualities, etc., which make a breed- whether this results from extreme isolation, or specific crossings by humans, it still takes time.
I personally have no problem with calling a cold x hot blood a warmblood, as it makes sense... the problem is that the term warmblood is already associated with the warmblood breeds, which is why people get so offended. Given time, 'American warmbloods' will become a breed. But a first generation draft x arab is just a cross to me, nothing more than my quarter horse/ arabian. If you cross a qh/arab with a qh/arab, and then cross the baby with a qh/arab, etc., then we're getting somewhere, lol.
These are just my thoughts, I am not in any way slandering any breed or crossbreed.
Yeah true if I had a WB I would hate to have someone reference it as just a draft and an arab mix (not that that mix is bad). Just like with about all other breeds of horses required mixing with breeds that are pure like arabs many many centuries ago but they also have stud books that require it be just right. But yes I agree warmblood horses are much more than a cold blood + hot blood.

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Sometimes it's a matter of owners wanted to believe their horse is the exception to the rule. I recently put my 17.3 Oldenburg up for part lease this summer and was dismayed to find someone enquiring whether he'd be suitable for non-pro rodeo events. He's no longer advertised publicly. Lesson learnt.

Simply put Warmbloods are bred for jumping and dressage, as previously explained in this thread. Even centuries of performance-specific breeding doesn't always produce an elite athlete in any discipline/breed but it does increase the chance of the horse being successful at it. And at least (hopefully) structurally prepared for it's intended primary use. Why struggle against the natural abilities of any horse? And yes, performance-quality Warmbloods are expensive, so are performance-quality Quarter horses.
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I've always wondered... would an Andalusian / Warmblood cross be the best of both worlds dressage-wise. Or would it just be weird?
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