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    07-17-2010, 10:03 PM
  #21
Green Broke
^how does it protect the jaw from breaking? That makes NO sense.

As for flashes, I agree with roro. You see one on every event horse and I hate it. Both my horses go without them and I wouldn't want it any other way. If a horse doesnt need a peice of tack, don't use it.
     
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    07-18-2010, 01:32 AM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by StormyBlues    
^how does it protect the jaw from breaking? That makes NO sense.

As for flashes, I agree with roro. You see one on every event horse and I hate it. Both my horses go without them and I wouldn't want it any other way. If a horse doesnt need a peice of tack, don't use it.
Youm know how in king kong, king kong rips the t-rexes jaw apart like that? I horse could fall like that or something I guess... although usually horses don't fall with theyre mouths open..... lol
     
    07-18-2010, 07:14 AM
  #23
Green Broke
As mentioned above, a beginner rider should not be riding a very forward horse, its like a green rider with a green horse it just does not mix. Is it possible too send your horse to training for a bit too teach him to slow down and relax his/her paces. A sharper/stronger/harder bit will NOT solve the problem, it could possibly make it worse because the horse will try and fight the bit.
     
    07-18-2010, 08:39 AM
  #24
Yearling
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Originally Posted by StormyBlues    
^how does it protect the jaw from breaking? That makes NO sense.

As for flashes, I agree with roro. You see one on every event horse and I hate it. Both my horses go without them and I wouldn't want it any other way. If a horse doesnt need a peice of tack, don't use it.
If a horse flips head first over a jump, it holds the mouth closed so that the bottem jaw does not shovel into the ground and break. So insted of having a horse with a broken jaw, you have a broken nose band.
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    07-18-2010, 01:58 PM
  #25
Trained
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Originally Posted by GreyRay    
If a horse flips head first over a jump, it holds the mouth closed so that the bottem jaw does not shovel into the ground and break. So insted of having a horse with a broken jaw, you have a broken nose band.
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Thank you!


Anyways to the OP: your trainer did not suggest finding a more suitable horse?? Instead of shoving a big bit into the mouth of a horse you can't handle, perhaps learning dressage on a more calmly disposed horse would be in your best interests. This way, you would not learn to rely on a bit. Bits also often fail as brakes, the horse can curl and contort his neck in such a way to render the bit ineffective and allow him to run HBFL anywhere he may wish. Learning to ride with the seat is the only way to nearly guarantee brakes on a horse. There is no way to 100% have brakes all the time, which is why most riders choose to ride horses within their skill level to lessen the chance of mishaps.

Good luck!
     
    07-18-2010, 02:54 PM
  #26
Weanling
Interesting how a simple question can go in so many directions.

I'm told the point of the flash, and the dropped noseband, is to help keep the bit correctly placed in the horse's mouth (certainly not to keep the mouth closed.) In real life: it's used to keep the mouth from gaping, as well as putting pressure on the face when the horse pulls or tries to charge ahead. In other words, a restraint, not a a piece of tack like a girth.

Beginners should be on safe horses. There's so much to learn about how to handle their own bodies, it's too much to expect them to be schooling a horse as well. Real life: you often come across a rider whose horse is too much for her.

The first time I ever heard that a noseband can keep a horse from breaking his jaw was from a professional reiner. I was quite surprised; most of the local Western riders don't use any noseband at all, but at the clinic, they all had to use nosebands.
     
    07-18-2010, 05:17 PM
  #27
Trained
The original purpose of the dropped noseband was for hunters - As mentioned above, to protect the jaw if the horse face planted over those big, scary jumps out on a hunt.

Nowadays - There is little risk of a horse falling and breaking it's jaw in a dressage arena - So the modern intended purpose of the dropped noseband is to keep the bit still and in a specific position in the mouth.

The unintended use for the dropped noseband, which is also incorrect, is to strap the horse mouth shut to prevent gaping - Generally only covering up an evasion.
     
    07-19-2010, 08:19 AM
  #28
Foal
I'm not such a beginner that I'm utterly clueless, and this isn't my first horse. I just suck at cantering still so I don't think that moves me out of beginner status. No, I'm not getting a different horse. She's 20, I'm sure I will learn A LOT from her. She's very sly about avoidance and ignoring my aids. MY problem is that I've apparently been letting her get away with it all. As I get to know her, trust her, and anticipate things, it's been getting better. I just don't always know the right way to correct things which is why I am seeking local lessons (I just got a trailer last week).

That said, I tried a HS Baucher which went well but rubbed my horse's nose a bit raw in the spot where the B angles inward on day 2 after about a 15 min ride. OUCH! It healed quickly tho. So then I went to the HS Dynamic RS which she seemed to like a bit better. And I liked it MUCH better then my single joined eggbutt.

The point of asking about bits was I had a schooling show yesterday and the organizer preferred if I used a legal bit but I could use the Kimberwick if I really needed to. I didn't

I used the Dynamic RS and my horse went well and we scored a 56 at my very first show - Intro A test. Twice on the comments it said she could be more forward (HAHAHAHAHA) which I expected because I was specifically keeping her in check so there weren't any outbursts. It was a success. :P
     
    07-19-2010, 10:04 AM
  #29
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by shadowanne    
I'm not such a beginner that I'm utterly clueless, and this isn't my first horse. I just suck at cantering still so I don't think that moves me out of beginner status. No, I'm not getting a different horse. She's 20, I'm sure I will learn A LOT from her. She's very sly about avoidance and ignoring my aids. MY problem is that I've apparently been letting her get away with it all. As I get to know her, trust her, and anticipate things, it's been getting better. I just don't always know the right way to correct things which is why I am seeking local lessons (I just got a trailer last week).
I agree with all everything that you said! You should master this horse and you are going the right way about it: Recognizing the problem, addressing it and seeing if it works, seeking help if needed.

I think you have a realistic view of your riding ability and I like that you are determined to get things working for you and your horse, I think EVERYONE should learn to ride horses that push them a little out of their comfort zone as that is what makes a better rider out of you! Well done on your dressage show and I hope you can get a softer bit working for you soon
     
    07-19-2010, 10:16 AM
  #30
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by shadowanne    

I got a Herm Sprenger Baucher in the mail today and tried that. It's better then the snaffle, but not by much - but at least my mare is listening to the half halts now (which is every 3 steps).
I am confused here. I was taught half halts originated from your seat - not your hands?
     

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