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    03-21-2010, 01:19 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Mehtala09    
And Actually Elliott's Father Avenir Is Impressive, Avenir Was In The Olympics And His Father Was In The Top Ten UNITED STATES DRESSAGE FEDERATION Stallion List. Obviously You Don't Know Anything Either, And I Do Know How To Ride Dressage, I Was In A Hunter Type, Close Contact Saddle, And Do You Realize I Am Only 15.
Well, that was Elliot's father. Not Elliot.
By the way, you should know that you're placing the stupid card quite a few highly respectable riders, who were kind enough to take the time out of their days to post their critiques and opinions to this forum.

Nobody was insulting your way of riding. However, they were suggesting (actually, they were blatantly telling) you should get past your barn blindness and reconsider your choice in breeding her to this stallion.
Why not take some clear conformation pictures of your mare from all angles and post them to be critiqued? You can also take some video of her movement, too. I'm sure that you're right about these pictures not doing her justice, so take some that will do her justice. Prove to the world that she is what you claim she is!


Oh, and a side note? Please Stop Typing Like This. It's quite difficult to understand! Mind-boggling, really! ~
     
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    03-21-2010, 01:44 PM
  #22
Banned
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Originally Posted by Mehtala09    
Well, You Guys Obviously Don't Know The American Warmblood Association, The American Warmblood Association Tries To Put The Best To The Best, And Produce Competitive Sport Horses, And Actually Elliott's Father Avenir Is Impressive, Avenir Was In The Olympics And His Father Was In The Top Ten UNITED STATES DRESSAGE FEDERATION Stallion List. Obviously You Don't Know Anything Either, And I Do Know How To Ride Dressage, I Was In A Hunter Type, Close Contact Saddle, And Do You Realize I Am Only 15.
My stallion is also AWS and with 2 stars. He was International horse of the year for both dressage and jumper and has Olympic MEDAL WINNERS including gold (not just in the Olympics).

I was also AWS area rep for 2 years so I would not go stating something you have no knowledge of.

I said your stallion does not have spectatular breeding, I did not say your horse has bad breeding. When you have to compete against stallions that have really IMPRESSIVE breeding AND a competition record you better have a good advertisement plan going for you.

Breeding is fine but you MUST have the show record to back it. You said your stud was injured and that will always work against you.
     
    03-21-2010, 03:54 PM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Mehtala09    
Well, You Guys Obviously Don't Know The American Warmblood Association, The American Warmblood Association Tries To Put The Best To The Best, And Produce Competitive Sport Horses, And Actually Elliott's Father Avenir Is Impressive, Avenir Was In The Olympics And His Father Was In The Top Ten UNITED STATES DRESSAGE FEDERATION Stallion List. Obviously You Don't Know Anything Either, And I Do Know How To Ride Dressage, I Was In A Hunter Type, Close Contact Saddle, And Do You Realize I Am Only 15.
Let's put the stallion issue to the side for now, since obviously you have a differing opinion about him compared to the general consensus, including myself. The stallion, at this point, is irrelevant. Your mare is not suitable for breeding. If you could find a stallion that walks on water and can do airs above ground, I still would say no. That dam has nothing going for her and should not be bred regardless of the stallion. There are too many horses out there already that are of her quality, there is no point in making more. If you want a youngster, then buy one.
     
    03-21-2010, 06:57 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
I'm sorry Mercedes, but Spyder and Anabel have already made the case for not breeding this mare without being nasty about it. Your responses are frequently so hostile and "in your face", I'm beginning to wonder what your reasons are for being on this forum. People come to forums such as these for information and input, not to be insulted.
Feel free to skip my posts.
     
    03-22-2010, 12:04 AM
  #25
Foal
Okay, so this is never going to work, I have decided to go back to hunters, this is crap and annoying, obviously all I wanted was a little input, not for my horse and I to be insulted off of the website, it was actually quite rude, Dressagexlee and the first person to respond were more subtle, and polite, you don't know my mare, or me, don't go judging her confo in shots, that you can't even tell,
     
    03-22-2010, 01:21 AM
  #26
Weanling
Now, now. This little debate is no reason to not ride dressage anymore. If you want to do it, then there is nothing stopping you! As I said, nobody is telling you that you can't do dressage with your mare or that you're a terrible rider! If anything, we praise you for taking on dressage; it's a great element of training that, to be quite honest, many hunter/jumper riders often skip over or lable as unimportant, when it is really what makes a good jumper.
Any discipline in riding cannot be mastered in a week, so nobody should be pressuring you for perfection when you've both just started dressage. Don't place that unreasonable expectation on yourself, either. An expectation on you is an expectation on your horse, and it will just become a fight, and that isn't what riding is about! ~

So, keep pursuing dressage with your mare. There isn't anything stopping you!
     
    03-22-2010, 01:27 AM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Mehtala09    
okay, so this is never going to work, I have decided to go back to hunters, this is crap and annoying, obviously all I wanted was a little input, not for my horse and I to be insulted off of the website, it was actually quite rude, Dressagexlee and the first person to respond were more subtle, and polite, you don't know my mare, or me, don't go judging her confo in shots, that you can't even tell,
When you pay someone to "be polite" to you as your instructor is doing then I would suggest you stay with them. You got your answer to your question on the first 9 posts.

You should have left the breeding part out and put up a different thread in the breeding area.

I can tell you one thing that if you want to show and SUCCEED you will learn to take the positive and the not so positive comments in stride with less attitude.
     
    03-23-2010, 12:47 AM
  #28
Trained
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
When you pay someone to "be polite" to you as your instructor is doing then I would suggest you stay with them. You got your answer to your question on the first 9 posts.

You should have left the breeding part out and put up a different thread in the breeding area.

I can tell you one thing that if you want to show and SUCCEED you will learn to take the positive and the not so positive comments in stride with less attitude.
:) Thanks Spyder.
     
    03-23-2010, 02:30 PM
  #29
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Mehtala09    
Well, You Guys Obviously Don't Know The American Warmblood Association, The American Warmblood Association Tries To Put The Best To The Best, And Produce Competitive Sport Horses, And Actually Elliott's Father Avenir Is Impressive, Avenir Was In The Olympics And His Father Was In The Top Ten UNITED STATES DRESSAGE FEDERATION Stallion List. Obviously You Don't Know Anything Either, And I Do Know How To Ride Dressage, I Was In A Hunter Type, Close Contact Saddle, And Do You Realize I Am Only 15.
Ok, first so then breed to his father not him. You said yourself that he didn't do anything because of an injury. I personally don't like his conformation, I think he's straight through his shoulder his neck ties in very coarsely to his shoulder as well and he looks mediocre at best. I would not breed to him even if he was free. Although, I agree that your mare has nothing really going for her as far as her type, confo and ability so I would refrain from breeding her period.

If you truly know how to ride dressage then you could do it bareback, in a western saddle, a close contact or a dressage saddle. Your position was way too forward, you weren't using your seat and weight aids at all and you were curling your shoulders, had your hands in your lap and were overflexing and trying to shove her into frame with your hands and barely driving with your legs. Look at the total lack of roundness to her back, lack of extension and expression with her legs and lack of engagement. To truly ride dressage is to ride to better the horse and help it through it's own natural weaknesses and imperfections to make it a more balanced individual and to improve it's natural gaits not hinder them.

Ok, so you're 15? You're old enough to know better than to throw tantrums when someone else's opinion does not mirror your own. You asked for peoples OPINIONS if you don't want their true opinions on your questions then by all means don't ask for them. Continue to run around thinking you're the next Anky and your horse is the next Salinero. And I compare you to these two not just because I'm sure you think she's great, but because her horse is not as free and classically trained as other competitor's horses and the way you rode in those pictures shows you trying to force a frame and bad muscle development. In her case and with the help of Rolkur...some just do it better than others apparently.
     

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