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    07-08-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ridergirl23    
Yes, that's the right way, But that's harder then the pros make it look! Haha.
Even some grand prix riders havetrouble doing that sometimes if the horse sees something else or is being a little `brat`

But ya, that is what every dressage rider strives for, absalute harmony between horse and rider.
oh yes, DEFINITELY harder than it looks that is for sure!!
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    07-08-2010, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Hoofprints in the Sand    
SR, I L-O-V-E your avatar LOL
Thank you. I've gotten a lot of compliments on it. It cracks me up. Probably because I identify with it so well!
    07-08-2010, 02:10 PM
New book out this year "Twisted Truths of Modern Dressage" by Phillippe Karl who was head of the Cadre Noir.
All that leg banging, head bobbing, hard hand manipulation and over bent stuff ain't it! It's a wonderful book, well-written and at the same time sad that he had to even write it.
    07-08-2010, 02:12 PM
Let's not turn this thread into a trainwreck about rollkur/no rollkur, or how 'modern dressage' is so much more barbaric than 'classical dressage', m'kay?

I have my opinions about them, but I also have strong opinions about a lot of things that go on in all the disciplines. No discipline is without its skeletons in the closet.
    07-08-2010, 08:46 PM
I wish I had a video, I'll do some youtube browsing. Their backs seemed to hollow out and their legs were just so floppy. It looked like when the horse trotted they just relaxed their legs and let them flop.

I bet it was a lower-level show like you all have said, because I agree that dressage is GORGEOUS at higher levels (though somewhat boring at lower levels LOL)
    07-08-2010, 09:05 PM
It is an FEI RULE (!) that the aids be invisible - has just been changed to 'imperceptible' - same thing just different wording. At all levels, you should not see the rider apply an aid. This of course is the ideal, but when you are on a green horse, it is **** hard! In trot, if you have an exceptionally bouncy horse, it's difficult to sit then and it is all too easy to allow your legs to move around a little. Not a good thing, but it's human nature, it happens!

As for the lower levels being boring.. how do you think the top level horses got to the top? YEARS upon YEARS in the lower levels ;) The lower levels are actually the most important, fundamental part of training a dressage horse. If you do not have the lower levels well and truly established, you cannot move up the levels because your horse will not have the strength and discipline to hold the movements and higher degrees of collection. So although the lower levels may look boring to the 'un educated' eye, they are actually the point in a horse's training where one can tell if the horse and rider combination are going to progress. It is certainly more complicated than just riding a few circles and transitions!
    07-08-2010, 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Lauren Woodard    
New book out this year "Twisted Truths of Modern Dressage" by Phillippe Karl who was head of the Cadre Noir.
All that leg banging, head bobbing, hard hand manipulation and over bent stuff ain't it! It's a wonderful book, well-written and at the same time sad that he had to even write it.

This topic does NOT belong in every thread.

There is a thread about this so lets leave it there !
    07-08-2010, 10:37 PM
I must admit, I get more confused every time I see a different upper level rider on a horse. Just recently I watched a clinic with a very high level rider. Later she did a riding demo. Her cues were anything but invisible. For her tempi changes, he outside leg came almost a full 90 degrees back. I thought at that level, the horse was supposed to respond to the seat alone which, to my understanding, doesn't involve the lower leg.
    07-08-2010, 10:44 PM
MyBoyPuck, it seems a lot of 'upper level riders' now are riding like that, anything but invisible. You see many, even the top European riders, swinging their outside leg right back and throwing their weight across in changes, canter pirouettes as well I have seem many a rider lean heavily to the inside and drag their horse around the turn.

But we should not identify all dressage riders against these riders. Unfortunately it seems many judges need to go back and read the FEI rulebook again, as it is a RULE that the aids must be imperceptible and appear 'effortless'
    07-09-2010, 01:39 AM
Scary to me that a book being mentioned that pertains to the topic scares some people. Possibly that is what is troubling in the dressage world.
CPM24.tv is a continuous feed of Grand Prix level dressage and some jumping. Watch and hopefully learn that the 'winners' aren't remotely close to invisible and that the tactics used are rewarded.
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