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        07-09-2010, 01:03 AM
      #21
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
    I must admit, I get more confused every time I see a different upper level rider on a horse. Just recently I watched a clinic with a very high level rider. Later she did a riding demo. Her cues were anything but invisible. For her tempi changes, he outside leg came almost a full 90 degrees back. I thought at that level, the horse was supposed to respond to the seat alone which, to my understanding, doesn't involve the lower leg.

    This has been going on for ages and is nothing new.

    I have posted over and over again the the outside leg back for the canter aid should be replaced by the tightening of the inside leg with the lower leg coming into play only as a last resort.

    I can't count how many times I have said that the continuation of this base canter aid will be to the rider's detriment when the tempis come into play. If you sat on my horse and even moved the outside leg to get the canter you will likely get a counter canter for only a slight squeeze of the inside hip will get the true canter.

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    Scary to me that a book being mentioned that pertains to the topic scares some people.
    Hardly.

    I am well aware of his philosophies. He was in my neck of the woods a short time ago and certainly sent a few riders in a tizzy. To a great extent I agree with him but lets discuss his techniques as they relate to the topic without being a literary agent for his book (especially on every topic you post on).
         
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        07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
      #22
    Foal
    I have posted over and over again
    I can't count how many times I have said

    I am well aware of his philosophies. He was in my neck of the woods a short time ago and certainly sent a few riders in a tizzy. To a great extent I agree with him but lets discuss his techniques as they relate to the topic without being a literary agent for his book (especially on every topic you post on).[/QUOTE]

    Posting something more than once? What gives?
    That said, I don't have any intention of getting into a verbal scrape. A good reference shouldn't bother someone when others have an opportunity to find out about it. Possibly not every knows about the book.
         
        07-09-2010, 02:17 AM
      #23
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Eliz    
    I wish I had a video, I'll do some youtube browsing. Their backs seemed to hollow out and their legs were just so floppy. It looked like when the horse trotted they just relaxed their legs and let them flop.

    I bet it was a lower-level show like you all have said, because I agree that dressage is GORGEOUS at higher levels (though somewhat boring at lower levels LOL)
    Everyone makes mistakes when they are learning and some people just plain stink at [insert anything] but that shouldn't reflect on your opinion of a sport / whatever as a whole. You don't go see a bad ballet recital and think 'gee, ballerinas are a very nonathletic, disorganized lot! Just because they were doing it doesn't mean it was being done correctly.
         
        07-09-2010, 03:46 PM
      #24
    Started
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    I'm not saying I hate lower levels of dressage. I'm saying they're boing to watch, just as my sports/shows are boring to watch in the beginning as well.

    I bet I would have fun riding dressage, even if it were a lower level, but I'm not going to watch it for fun, as it is not my passion.
         
        07-09-2010, 11:19 PM
      #25
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    You're correct, Hoofprints.
    If you can see the rider move, points are taken off.
    I've seen the score cards, and any 'wrong' movement by the rider is put down in the explanations.
    These were world class judges, so I learned a lot of interesting things.
    I don't have the patience or personal discipline to ride dressage, but I admire anyone who does it correctly. It truly is poetry in motion when done right.
    If the judges would score predicated upon the demands set forth in Article 401....the excess of body, seat, and leg movement by even the top riders such as Edward Gal would be marked down sufficiently that the big scores would not be there in GP

    It is called the bounce and it is not the correct classical dressage seat.
    Check the thread Bounce v. No bounce in the english forum...................
         
        07-10-2010, 01:43 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spirithorse8    
    If the judges would score predicated upon the demands set forth in Article 401....the excess of body, seat, and leg movement by even the top riders such as Edward Gal would be marked down sufficiently that the big scores would not be there in GP

    It is called the bounce and it is not the correct classical dressage seat.
    Check the thread Bounce v. No bounce in the english forum...................
    I do have to say, I know a lot of judges that DO score correctly, I know local judges that score correctly, I know Judges that HAVE judged huge shows,correctly. So many people talk about how many judges don't score correctly, but they never look at the ones that do. The sport is SLOWLY changeing... so lets look at the glass half-full ;)
         
        07-10-2010, 02:28 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Ridergirl23;

    Yes there are some good judges out there, however, at international GP level...where are they?
         
        07-10-2010, 02:44 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    The good GP judges are moving up, I havent been paying a lot of attention to the judging in the WEG's and olympics, but the sport is taking a turn for the better, just freakishly slowly, lol. But they do need something better to judge, like,if they saw a amazing dressage pair, where the rider never moved, the horse moved over the back without any tension. Then I don't really doubt that they would mark them very high... but where are those riders? Compared to what theyre seeing, those people are the best, but they havent seen even better in the olympic ring for a while now, have they?

    The judging is a big thing, but they DO make mistakes, which people do when they are under that amount of pressure. They do need to get better judges up there, but WE also have to get better riders up there, the coaches and riders need to realize 'hey, this isnt the way its supposed to be done! We need to fix this!' instead of just saying' hey,this is going to win, lets do it!' which is a problem, because they shouldnt win. But can you imagine the hundreds of thousands of fans tha would HATE those judges? And the jusdges woul never be asked back to the olympics or WEG's or big compotitions if they disqualified everyone, they are just going along with a 'trend' and they need to go alog with it to keep their jobs. I know, it doesnt make it right. But the sport is shaped by the RIDER or trainers or coaches, the judges just have to go along with the most popular trends to stay in their job. I know, they should sacrifice that for the good of the sport, but they will just bring in judges that like tha trend even more. Its kind of a vicious circle.. :/
         
        07-10-2010, 03:00 PM
      #29
    Trained
    You know what Lauren Woodward - I can walk into a Reining Barn, A Gaming Barn, a Hunter/Jumper Barn, a Race Track Barn, a Rodeo, WP barn and many others and see just as much B/S going on in those worlds of equestrian sports as there is in any sport.

    It doesn't matter where you go, there is going to be ingoramusus in any discipline. There are many books out there on the crack pot ethics and abuse that goes on in any discipline.

    What do you have to offer to the sport? What can you do?

    ~~~

    Elize, I can go to a Hunter/Jumper barn and see just as much lack of education in the riders and their horses as you did at this dressage show, if not more.

    And, since you jump, you should be disciplining yourself and your horse in the sport of dressage to obtain the important fundamentals to make yourself and your horse that much better to compeate.

    If GP Jumpers spend up to 5 days a week riding and training Dressage, there's a good reason behind it. Most GP horses can do minimally level 3 dressage movements.

    I am gobsmacked at the lack of education in Dressage riders have today. Coaches now a days implimenting it in their lessons, or in their students, very sad.
         
        07-10-2010, 03:06 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    I am gobsmacked at the lack of education in Dressage riders have today. Coaches now a days implimenting it in their lessons, or in their students, very sad.
    Yes, I found its a problem that people who THINK they are trainer, but are in no way legally a coach, that sadly have enough money to buy a barn, then they call themselves trainers, and people go to them the saddest part is if the students actually read some good dressage books, or looked online, they would REALIZE their coach isnt teaching them correctly!
         

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