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post #1 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 07:56 AM Thread Starter
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An example of 'poor' dressage?

I was looking through google images and found a picture of what the website calls 'dressage.' ps this is not my image, i found it on google images and only posting it to see what you guys think..

personally i feel like the rider has put too much emphasis on the position of her horses head. he/she is broken at the 3rd vetebrae? i think? and this indicates he hasnt moved into this position by working from behind. The amount of saliva produced indicates also to me that he is fighting the bit or trying to protect his mouth from all the pressure from his rider of keeping his head there.

I just wanted to see what you more informed dressage people thought, because i see SOOOO much of this situtation from people i know its quite shocking. these people are all at what i once though extremely well knowledged in dressage.... but it seems to me now their definition of dressage is where the horses head ends up.

Im not sure if I am allowed to post this picture, seeing as its not mine. but i thought seeing as it was from google it would be alright? i apologise if not.

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post #2 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 06:01 PM
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Its not my favourite picture, but its at a funny angle, and we cant really see the whole horse. Slobber does come from them having a relaxed jaw and being through the back, but it can also come from stress and stuff.

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post #3 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 06:40 PM
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I don't know that its fair to judge someone else and their horse when we don't know their background. For all we know the horse could be behind the vertical because of previous bad training and the rider may be trying to push the horse out. Some horses have been taught incorrectly and simply tuck their heads towards their chest in a false frame.
Then again, you could be right. Maybe the rider is riding the horse's head and not the whole body, back to front.

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post #4 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 08:43 PM
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It's really hard to tell with that angle... I know that foam usually means a relaxed jaw and that they have accepted the bit... But that doesn't look very foamy....

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post #5 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 08:49 PM
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I know I don't like the riders hand position.

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post #6 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 10:48 PM
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The angle may exaggerate it, but I'm quite certain that horse is incorrect. He is noticeably behind the bit/vertical, and tense at the throat latch. He has a broken neck line as well. Her hands are most likely the cause of this, as she has tense piano hands with a strong grip and short reins. If her reins were even shorter, the horse would resemble, well, the R word.

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Not to hijack the thread, so an example of a more 'correct' position would be a fluid roundness to the bend, yes? Looking more relaxed and less tucked in to the chest?
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post #8 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 10:59 PM
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It is more of a relaxation problem than a bend problem. If the rider relaxed her grip, and correct her position, the horse would start to release the tension in his neck and reach for contact more correctly. He also looks like he is heavy on the forehand, but I'd need to see the rest of the picture to truly determine that.

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post #9 of 12 Old 04-30-2010, 11:24 PM
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Hi guys,
I don't mean to hijack this thread at all, but please refer to this thread regarding photo proofs:

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post #10 of 12 Old 05-01-2010, 12:28 AM
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"The amount of saliva produced indicates also to me that he is fighting the bit or trying to protect his mouth from all the pressure from his rider of keeping his head there"
It can also be because of the Digestion that starts to work.
After all, the horse has something in the mouth.

Frankly I don't ride with a bit anymore..
Too much damage :(
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