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post #11 of 19 Old 05-09-2009, 08:44 PM
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Well, I'm not educated, but this is just what I think.

How can the horse have solid connection and collection if it is off balanced and fast? Therefor, I have to think that to HAVE proper connection, you first need the half halt to get the proper speed for balance, which helps enable a connection, which is needed for collection
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post #12 of 19 Old 05-10-2009, 01:15 PM
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I feel like a half halt should come before things like transitions and changes in pace. The half halt is like a way of making sure your horse is listening, and more importantly, balancing him, before you ask for a movement. I think a half halt should help to bring your horse under you more (if he isn't already) and should result in him waiting attentively for your next direction. So therefore, I believe the half halt doesn't necessarily create sync... it creates balance.

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i use the half halt to prepare my horse for movements and to balance and correct her if she gets rushy or forehandy. I'm in between the argument, I think half halts can be useful, even if the horse is not 'in sync' with the rider, because it can help to rebalance the horse and ask it to listen, however is just as useful if the horse is working engaged, to again balance before turns, prepare for a movement or again to stop rushing and help engage them even more.
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OK further to my first post here is clarification on the original statement from the same person.

I believe there has to be a connection from the horse's haunches to their mouth via the riders seat and reins. The energy flows from the haunches to the bit (assuming there are no blockages; iow, throughness) and the rider holds that energy for enough time to allow the haunches to flex and lower (engagement).

All I'm saying is that I hear lots of riders talking about half halts when their horse isn't on the aids, and I don't think it can be done. I think, without being truly on the aids, you can use your seat to slow the front end to rebalance a green horse.
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There's half halts and then theres half halts. You know?
I agree with Spyders latest post.
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Here's my take on it. If there's no rein contact up front, or the horse is braced against the bit, the half halt simply cannot go through. In the first case, the engagement that is being attempted by driving the hind end up into the receiving reins goes right out the front door. In the second case, it runs into a brick wall. Neither one is going to work. I think you use half halts in coordination with proper alignment/flexion of the horse to create a working connection. Once you have connection, then you can use refining half halts to work further toward collection.
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post #17 of 19 Old 05-12-2009, 07:36 AM
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I don't really understand what the debate is here. lol. It seems like we all pretty much agree!

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I don't really understand what the debate is here. lol. It seems like we all pretty much agree!
At this point we have discussed the half halts in the context of the horse not being in sync with the rider due to is training level but we have lost sight of how effective they would be if it were the RIDER being out of position.

Just how effective would they be on a well trained horse ridden by a poor rider or one that may have physical problems themselves.
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All I know is that I've seen some pretty lousy riders look fantastic on well schooled horses. Put them on a green one, and forget it. The well schooled ones seem like they only need a clue of what's being asked in order to do it correctly. I had a 3rd level rider at my barn a few years ago with her big fancy warmblood. I asked her what the cues were for haunches in so I could teach my young TB something new. Her response was, "I don't know". Huh!! 3rd level and she didn't know a basic move like that? It really opened my eyes to the huge difference between a passenger and a rider.
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