Right okay, so the length you would ride with if you were out on a hack pretty much?
I think you guys should know the background story of my boy: He was with a trainer for the last couple months to get him started properly. The lady he was with is a very experienced 2** eventer who has held numerous dressage titles. When I was riding him in front of her (as I went often to visit him and be taught how to ride him), she was really encouraging me to keep his head deep into his chest as this was 'him accepting the bit'. I'm thinking she used a method similar to rollkur, which I am against, but definitely not as bad as that because she was not hauling him in that his nose was touching his chest, perhaps just asking him to deep and low for suppling and relaxing purposes. But when she rode him and asked him to go properly with his head on the vertical, he did so, without over bending. I don't know what she was doing to make him bring his head back up again, and so now I am stuck with it. All she said to me to stop him from going to deep is just to 'jiggle my hands softly' so it takes him by surprise and he raises his head. So maybe its not a case of him avoiding the bit at all as she is very experienced and she rides with very soft hands, perhaps just how he was trained. As I know nothing about this type of training, I don't know what to do to bring his head back up again.