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        10-18-2009, 09:40 PM
    Green Broke
    Yes, haha it is amazing how horses can feel that, when my aunt got her horse if I looked to the right it would feel that change and it would go to the right, and so on. I hope you and chance do well in dressage, and have fun :) heres a tip: Read ALOT of dressage books, I do that and I find it to be one of the most helpful tools ever. And its interesting to here all the different thougts on the same topic.

    Good luck :)
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        10-18-2009, 09:44 PM
    Originally Posted by ridergirl23    
    trust me, haha its not about looking pretty, if your looking down your totally putting your horse outta balance and pushing them onto the forehand, I don't think theres anything wrong with carefree rides, but if you are just aware of your body anythime your on a horse it can all go alot better... haha if you think everone balances on a horse then you havet seen what I have...some people put more weighton there rigth or left stirrup and it totally puts the horse off, if you really look you can see it. Eq comes first, if your not riding correctly then why the heck would your horse go correctly?????? And yes, being in the right place does make the horse move differently, I've watched many beautiful horses go to waste because people get on them and think they will move just as well no matter how they are ridden. Balance is what everybody is looking for indressage, not many riders can be perfectly balanced on horseback.
    Yes she was looking down, but did you ever ask why she was? There could a reason for her looking down...I ride in my huge pasture that is right by the road and occasionally I have idiots drive by and toss things in my pasture, so I occasionally HAVE to look down to see if there is anything there. Do I look down all the time? No. But I'm not saying that eyes down doesn't effect how the horse rides

    Yes some people put their weight into one stirrup more than another, but that in no way proves that they are not balanced. People are built differently and use their muscles differently...something that would be completely off balance to one person, might be totally balanced to another. Just like how some people can walk on realllly thin things...where with me, I fall off.

    Equitation definitely does not come're horse should always come first. Equitation is last in my book, and will always be. Yes I show... nothing huge just local shows since I don't have the money to trailer far away to show in expensive classes, but I have won quite a few shows this year and my little mare took home grand champion at one of the local shows. I do not practice equitation, I do not feel that any of it is true. I ride how I ride, and I have never had any problems with any of my horses not performing bad or not being able to collect themselves or perform anything that they needed to do.

    Oh now we are talking about perfectly balanced...hate to say this, but we are all human! There is NO such thing as perfect anything
        10-18-2009, 09:52 PM
    Green Broke
    Do you ride dressage savvhearts?? Because if you do you would know how the your position effects the horse, ever wonder why some riders can get on a horse and make the horse look beautiful? And another rider will get on the same horse and if wont look very good.... its because one rider has a better position. She's riding in the arena, I don't think she has to look for anything.......... :P
        10-18-2009, 09:57 PM
    Green Broke
    I was looking down because my aunt wasnt sure of when to get the picture because it works different and chance would bring her head up once in a while so I had to time it.

    Im definitely going to be doing A LOT!!!!! Of reading! :)

    Position comes last in my book as well if my horse needs something to be corrected or what not im not going to be like wait my leg needs to be back a few inches wait my hands! Oh crap im looking down! :P

    Also when other people get on my horse she gets very strung out and high headed. Everyone tells me that I make riding her look easy xDD

    I do apprieciate all the replies :)
        10-18-2009, 10:01 PM
    Green Broke
    Haha no, if the horse is misbehaving telling them 'no' def. Comes first as well, but when just riding around, or if you horse isnt doing something correctly I always look at what im doing first, then if I KNOW for a fact tha im nto doing anything wrong, then I look at the horse for problems, that's what I ment. :P
        10-18-2009, 10:03 PM
    Green Broke
    That makes sense :)
        10-18-2009, 10:09 PM
    Green Broke
    Well good luck in dressage :) hope you like it! (haha it can be a little boring compared to jumping!)
        10-18-2009, 10:09 PM
    Originally Posted by ridergirl23    
    haha no, if the horse is misbehaving telling them 'no' def. Comes first as well, but when just riding around, or if you horse isnt doing something correctly I always look at what im doing first, then if I KNOW for a fact tha im nto doing anything wrong, then I look at the horse for problems, that's what I ment. :P
    AMEN! My instructor is always telling me that when Thumper is hollowed out and speeding, to go through my check-list in my head of MYSELF. Are my heels down, am I sitting back, are my thumbs up (I know that it doesn't work for everyone but I'm most relaxed that way), are my eyes up, are my legs back, am I lifting through my chest?

    Everything that has to do with the 'ideal' equitation has a purpose- why would it not? People figured out a while ago the easiest way for most people to stay balanced and to help their horse move freely and to the best of their abilities, I'm sure.

    I think that you and Chance would do just fine in the lower levels with a little more practice and a little more work! Dressage helps every horse, and it's great that you're considering it :).
        10-18-2009, 10:32 PM
    Green Broke
    Thanks everyone! :)

    Once I get enough knowledge on dressage and feel confident enough to apply it all I think it might be interesting to see how it improves her.

    LOL so many of my friends hate dressage cause its so boring :P Its going to be a tough change cause I Love jumping and such lol!
        10-19-2009, 12:18 PM
    Whoever said horses don't need anything but for you to 'stay on' doesn't understand much about horses--OR bio mechanics.

    If you look down, hollow your back, roach your back, have your hands too low or too high--your horse is going to feel it. If you put your weight into one stirrup and then think 'oh my horse is just hot, she likes to run'--your wrong. Your horse is unbalanced and feels nervous.

    Are you really going to say that you're better then the classical dressage (and even some of the great circus riding trainers!) trainers? The men that say that 'you don't train a horse, you train the rider'?

    Your horse knows how to do everything which we ask. Haven't you seen them do it in the pasture? It is a matter of teaching us how to stay out of their way--and the only way to do that is with careful, allowing seats and bodies that are in perfect balance. And you know what a rider who is in perfect balance looks like? A good 'equitation' rider.

    I really dislike the New Age thought of 'if I'm comfortable then it's good for me! We're all different!' Riding isn't supposed to be easy. Riding isn't supposed to be like just sitting in your lazy boy sofa. You have to train your muscles, your tendons, stretch your ligaments--and guess what? It's not easy! It's hard, and sometimes, it hurts. Anyone ever do Yoga? Anyone ever stretch? The moment it starts to hurt is where you stop--you would never get any more flexible if you never pushed the boundaries.

    There was a young trainer I once knew who thought 'I don't ride pretty but I get my horses to do what I want!'. And that's what happened--she was always fighting with her horses. Good trainers--exceptional trainers--never have a need to fight with a horse. Ever. Horses don't 'misbehave'--they don't understand, they're confused, they're scared.

    I used to think equitation was important, but I never realized how important until I started riding my Paint Gelding seriously. He's not an athletic horse at all, but with just my seat I can control the amount of impulsion in each back leg. Separately.

    Tell me--how do you do that when you're just sitting there 'comfortably'? How do you effect the balance of the horse with your hips if the horse can't tell when you're leaning on purpose or leaning by accident?

    'Perfect equitation' is the best place to sit to feel the horse, and influence the horse. End of story--there really is no argument on that one.

    Before I go on and on--the amount of ignorance on these boards sometimes scares me--I'll end with some general thoughts on dressage.

    Don't think of it as a 'sport'. Dressage is the systematic way of conditioning your horse to carry your weight correctly, to move efficiently, and keep your horse happy and proud of his job. When he can do these things, a jump course is no longer a 'jump course'--it's a dressage ring with these things you go over.

    If you want to be serious about riding, you need to practice, every day, on the way that you sit and influence your horse. Your horse will thank you for it.

    Sometimes people say it is boring. The things you are asking of your horse require a lot of finesse--so when you go down the side of the arena in a shoulders in, don't think 'GREAT! We did it, what now?'

    Think 'good, now how could we improve that?'

    Good luck.

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