I have a question of scruples....

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    03-29-2013, 11:59 PM
Green Broke
I have a question of scruples....

Today I received ride times for an upcoming show. On it I notice 2 people are entered as "Adult Amatuer" when they should be Open because they are both PAID TRAINERS.

I might just be edgy about these two people because they are both trainers who ganged up on me and Cin and said that Cin was crap and we would only ever get embarrassing scores on him, yada yada (one is also my old BO that I've had tons of issues with). I've even had lessons from both of them myself (which put in the position of being told my horse was a POS in their eyes). So I might be a bit prejudiced. But.... They are both showing Training level with me (which is odd for trainers on so called USDF level Dressage horses).

Am I just being a B if I tell the Show management, or should I just take a deep breath, suck it up and just let it go even though I don't think it's not fair to the REAL AA people.

What would you do?
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    03-30-2013, 12:02 AM
Green Broke
Maybe it's a mistake. I'd ask when you check in. Just say by the way, I was wondering if there's a mistake on the sheets bc trainers a and b are open not aa.
That way you're not a snitch and the word is out.
Our trainer showed her horse training last year, but now she's doing 2nd level I believe. Working up bc he was new to her and she had to see what he could do.
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    03-30-2013, 12:14 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by cakemom    
Maybe it's a mistake. I'd ask when you check in. Just say by the way, I was wondering if there's a mistake on the sheets bc trainers a and b are open not aa.
That way you're not a snitch and the word is out.
Our trainer showed her horse training last year, but now she's doing 2nd level I believe. Working up bc he was new to her and she had to see what he could do.
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I understand them showing training if they wish to, it's just the AA thing I have an opinion about LOL. Almost everyone at our local shows who shows Intro and Training have been doing so for YEARS and are so happy with their 70+ scores that they never want to move up ha ha.
    03-30-2013, 12:18 AM
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I agree. I am the keeper of the score for SEDA (South Eastern Dressage Assoc) and she's be placed in the correct spot for year ends no matter what here.
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    03-30-2013, 12:21 AM
If it's a USDF show then the riders should have paid to have their amateur statuses. If they have paid to have ammy statuses then you can complain to USDF somehow.
If it's a non-sanctioned show or sanctioned with a body other than USDF which does not have stringent ammy rules then you are SOL.

I rode as an AA for years and won a CDI registered as an AA (against all Open status riders). Status has little to do with riding ability and at least in my area, it is tougher to win an Am class at the lower levels than an open class.

As well ask yourself, does it really matter?? If you really want to assure yourself a blue ribbon, Hodges will sell you one for the $1.50 they cost....
    03-30-2013, 12:42 AM
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In the case like SEDA the reason it matter is because of year end standings. I get questions all the time from AA asking. These are schooling dressage score though. The recognized shows are much more strict.
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    03-30-2013, 12:47 AM
You need to look up the rules for "adult amateur" for the association sanctioning your show. If it's USDF, then go with what Anabel has posted. If it is some other organization, see what the rules define as amateur. You can file a complaint if those two competitors are in violation.
It's really up to you. I show open shows, there is class divisions and adult novice is one of them. I don't show novice, however I have seen competitors in those classes who clearly shouldn't be in there (one lady had won medals in the Provincial Olympics 20 years prior and another has won championships in breed shows), I didn't report, guess they needed to compete against less experienced riders for some reason? I tend to ignore other competitors and just ride to the best of my ability and see what the judge says, since that is why I am there.
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    03-30-2013, 01:03 AM
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It is an NDA recognized and governed show. NDA follows USDF rules on everything, so basically what USDF says, goes...even at the schooling shows.

And Anabel, it's not really about winning ribbons, it's that these people are the type that try to get away with anything they possibly can while trying to call out everyone else. She accuses anybody that can beat her or her students of cheating so that stewards have to investigate, etc and not pay attention to what she herself is doing. She also goes around telling people mean things about how much their horses suck to the point that they have brought some of the newer riders and younger ones to tears, or gotten them to scratch altogether. They are generally not nice people.

I think I'm just going to sit back, come to think of it. She and her friend (the other trainer) have already ticked off so many other people, that most likely somebody else will call her out on it anyway. :)
    03-30-2013, 01:14 AM
Well it sounds like she's going to lose clients very rapidly then.

Don't worry yourself over it, honestly. You're not playing for sheep stations, you're in it for the experience. Unless you feel that you are a super competitive combination and are looking for qualifications to the larger shows- who cares ;)
    03-30-2013, 06:37 PM
Wow, she sounds like a lovely person! You sure you don't want to try eventing? Personally, if she's that much of a hypocrite, I'd call her out on it just for the fun of it. Whether it's ultimately matters or not, it's obviously stressing you out, so do whatever you need to make it a non issue. I would play dumb and ask the show secretary if they were put in your division accidentally since they are paid trainers, but that's just me. I know in eventing, professionals can ride in the lower levels to give the green horses experience, but they are not eligible for awards. I kind of like tying to get better scores than them.

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