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    08-22-2013, 12:20 PM
I want to learn more about warmbloods

I am coming to the realization that in the next year or two we may need to consider a new horse for my daughter if she wants to continue riding dressage. My daughter is extremely attached to this horse however she also loves dressage and if she wants to continue riding dressage we will need to look for a new horse for a number of reasons (first and foremost are reoccurring soundness issues) - sad but true. We are not at this bridge yet, but I see that we will be in a short time and my dd will have to make some tough decisions. That said, I now forward thinking and educating myself. If and when the time comes I want to know what to look for and be prepared.

After owning our little Arab we really appreciate her intelligence, work ethic and personality and would love to find a horse with similar qualities. I think if we are looking for a dressage horse it will most likely be a warmblood of some sort but know nothing about them. Are most warmblood breeds similar in temperament and intelligence? How do the different warmblood breeds differ in these qualities? For example do Swedish wb tend to be more laid back than say a Hanoverian (just in general, I know how individual this really is)? Also, is size a factor in dressage? Are smaller warmbloods difficult to find and will the size factor in their price?
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    08-22-2013, 12:34 PM
Smaller WBs are actually less expensive! You might also be interested in an Andalusian, if a well bred and trained one is in your price range.

Regardless of the horse you buy, a good coach is your best resource!

As far as horse shopping goes - take the time now to educate yourself on which lines are going to be most suitable and do not even look at horses with lines that throw too hot horses.
You'd be looking for something with Freestyle, Rubenstein and/or Trakhener lines and avoiding UB40, Ulft, and other similar dutch lines.

I think you will have the best success with Hannoverian and Trakhener lines.

And I assume you will be looking at a horse trained second or third level? If you are looking at young horses, buy one now and get it into training. WBs are big strong and powerful and they will not just meekly spook! Especially as young horses, always be aware of where their little ears are pointed and be prepared to react to them. If you are not experienced with this, you will want a good coach and trainer!
This is why I would recommend an andalusian if you can find a good trained one :) they are cool dudes!

Good luck!
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    08-22-2013, 12:54 PM
Fortunately we do have a great coach who will be instrumental in our search. I have had a conversation with her and she did suggest looking for a horse that is trained at least one but preferably two levels ahead of my dd. Our coach is most knowledgeable on Dutch wb lines but I don't know beyond that - we haven't gotten that far yet. If she is not familiar with other lines, what would you suggest as a good resource to learn?

Our budget will be limited so I know having a year or two to look will be our best bet in finding a good match within this budget.

Anabel, I did come across something interesting - would it be alright to pm you on a question regarding a particular horse w/video? I don't want to post this publicly without permission.
    08-22-2013, 12:58 PM
PM away! :P

Just look at sale ads, stallion videos, etc
Superior Equine Sires is a good site. Look at horses you like and get to know the lines.
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    08-22-2013, 01:52 PM
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You don't give any indication of your daughters age (and I'm not asking that you do) but if she's still quite young and small for her age then why not consider a Warmblood pony rather than a horse? They have all the attributes of a WB but in a smaller package that a young person would find a lot more manageable.
Some of the bigger WB's can be very broad and wide for short legs and a lot of horse to 'hold together'
The WB X TB can be a good choice for the younger rider and I really like the Trakheners for the same reason
As for temperament - that can vary a lot even within one 'breed' and a lot also depends on how well or badly the horse has been handled in the past
I wouldn't be tempted to over horse your daughter at this stage as she may well find it intimidating on the ground as much as in the saddle
    08-23-2013, 12:10 PM
My daughter is already 5'3" tall and still growing (not in her teens yet!). I am not really serious in the market yet, just looking lightly and trying to get educated. She had been riding a recently retired GP school master occasionally at our barn but he is lazy, stiff and requires a heavy/strong hand. Although my dd does a really good job, it's a lot of work for a kid her age. He's the opposite of her light, responsive Arab!

Anyway, I really want to learn more about wb breeds and how they differ in general. I do understand this will vary from horse to horse though. I want a horse that she can enjoy and learn from and with. We will be looking for a horse that had a good temperament, is quiet, intelligent, responsive, and not too big! We are not in any hurry whatsoever, it may happen next week or next year.
    08-23-2013, 01:17 PM
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Good luck with your search.
Allowing yourself plenty of time for research is always the best thing to do
As someone from the UK I find it unusual for children of that age (pre. Teens) to be competing on horses even if they are tall. We tend to breed ponies specifically for that age group in all aspects of competition but I appreciate the differences between there and the US.
    08-23-2013, 01:25 PM
If you are well known with the Dutch lines, I can fully recommend to stay away from anything with Jazz. There are a few lines I refuse to ride through many bad experiences of my own and others: Jazz, Pilot and Furioso. Unless mixed well.. Very well.. The horses are on a constant battle to become boss and can become very unruly.

I love the Rubinstein lines. If trained and treated right they make fantastic horses for the whole family and are very versatile. Another line I adore, and all my horses have been, Donnerhall. But always take a good look on the dam side. They can be infuriating as they don't help themselves, but my last one was an absolute dream.

Not sure what your market is out there, but 155-164cm is reasonably cheap. Anything over that costs a small fortune.

A good coach is always handy to have, or post pictures and videos. There are so many people here who can help!
    08-23-2013, 01:52 PM
Honestly, I don't know any lines yet! Our coach knows Dutch lines very well so that would help if needed. I'm gathering that there is not a huge difference between the wb breeds, mostly within the actual bloodlines.

My dd loves her horse a great deal so ultimately she will need to decide if she wants to pursue higher dressage riding or stay with her horse and show at schooling shows, 4-H, etc.. We have now had a discussion or two so the question is on the table. The kid really loves dressage too so it will be tough on her. My gut tells me she will choose to pursue dressage so I'm getting as educated as I can be. We will go and look at some horses that may be appropriate for her over the next few months and see where it leads us.
    08-24-2013, 10:19 PM
Aside from the lines, I'd be careful not to buy something with enormous, flash paces. Yes they look nice and may be quite talented, but a young kid would have a hell of a time trying to put such a horse together.
How serious is your daughter about Dressage? Is she at a state/national level as a young rider and wanting to be competitive? If not, you can pick up a nice small schoolmaster for reasonable money. It doesn't HAVE to be a warmblood. A well trained tb is worth it's weight in gold as well.

Warmbloods are generally not the quiet, dopey autopilot beasts they can be made out to be. As fond have said above, there are certainly lines that can throw very tricky temperaments. I'm a competitor at state level and have had experience bribing on a wide range of horses but I'm still wary of the Jazz line among others. In Australia Sandro Hit is immensely popular, he throws phenomenal paces but they can go off their rocker at the drop of a hat. No Thank you!!

Find something with a good brain, 3 nice rideable paces and a back that wants to swing naturally and you'll be well on your way.

By the way - I hope your daughter knows how incredibly lucky she is having a parent willing to pay some money for a quality horse. As a pre teen I was still saving my $2/week pocket money so I could buy my first pony, some scrubby bush pony ridden a handful of times in her 12 years and popped out a few foals!!
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