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    05-28-2010, 06:00 PM
  #11
Green Broke
Any horse can do dressage, if you train them correctly, they can all go to about level three, maybe not a award winning level three, but level three all the same :)
Im confused about your posts too, but ohwell, non of my business.
Maybe get a good dressage book to help you along, an riding instructor would be great, but I've known people who have trained dressage without one.
Good luck!
     
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    05-28-2010, 06:20 PM
  #12
Foal
Thanks alot for the help
     
    05-28-2010, 06:34 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Anytime, and btw, your horse looks like he has the thickest mane I've ever seen! Haha.
I would love to see pictures ;)
     
    05-28-2010, 06:44 PM
  #14
Weanling
Sorry I can't answer your question. My horse knows more Dressage than I do. However I love Icelandics and they are on my short list of gotta have dream horses.
     
    05-28-2010, 07:15 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Thelma    
Oh sorry I was talking about the collections on the gaits, gallop and trot, that could help me a lot with the Icelandic riding. You understand that you don't come to a dressage competition only with piaffe and passage. We do piaffe and passage for fun and when I trained them I was not having real dressage training in mind, just teaching them something new. Also dressage is not a competition at Iceland so people use the things from dressage to help improving the icelandic riding :)
I sort of agree with this.

Work in hand even on a horse not ready for dressage riding at a higher level is often used to get the horse to step more under itself and if done correctly can create a passage and piaffe even if the horse is at a low level in dressage.

Many of the Spanish bullfighter will use the in-hand training to help the horse however their goal is not dressage but something else. There was a horse at a barn I was at that couldn't do a lick of good dressage but could mimic the piaffe and passage (but not done very well...bad trainer in this case).

As far as your original question I agree with the person that stated dressage done too intensely will ruin the natural tolt in these horses but like all breeds there are individuals that don't measure up to the breed standards and it is these that may excel in areas/disciplines they are not known to work in.

So if you have a horse that is very good to its standards (and tolts in the top 10%) you will have difficulties. If your horse is low on breed standard then yes it should be able to do decent low level dressage.
     
    05-31-2010, 07:04 PM
  #16
Foal
All my horses are having a very good tolt and it got better with piaffe and passage training because then he has to use his back feets to walk. That's what we want the horse to do naturally on the tolt. I guess you don't know or understand the tolt but I do! I been working for a long time with mine.
     
    05-31-2010, 09:12 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Thelma    
all my horses are having a very good tolt and it got better with piaffe and passage training because then he has to use his back feets to walk. That's what we want the horse to do naturally on the tolt. I guess you don't know or understand the tolt but I do! I been working for a long time with mine.

You really shouldn't be making assumptions.

Collection in the tolt is nothing like collection in dressage and while long reins will help the Icelandic in both trot and tolt this work in hand is not and should not be aimed at dressage piaffe and passage.

If you look closely at the tolt you will see a horse moving forward freely and carrying its head with little contact. If you attempted too much dressage to the point of having the horse on the vertical ( expected for even some of the basic dressage levels) then as far as any Icelandic judging it would be considered too much collection.

I would also point out that the best bred Icelandic's have a naturally good 4 beat tolt and while they will still get training they do not have to put piaffe's and passages on their horses to exhibit championship gaits.

A good friend of mine had an Icelandic and it was most interesting watching the horse being trained.
     
    06-07-2010, 12:13 PM
  #18
Foal
Sorry, what you are saying is not how icelandics are trained and what we want from our horses, I have a good trainer that both works are Norway and Iceland and her does dressage with his icelandics, his tölt in the ring is massive and I look up to him. I asked him if collection that is used in dressage would hurt the tolt and he said no! It's the same collection, the only difference is that we use don't use the collection when we are doing fast tölt, only in the slow one! I think, before you comment next time you should know what you are talking about!
     
    06-07-2010, 06:23 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by Thelma    
Sorry, what you are saying is not how icelandics are trained and what we want from our horses, I have a good trainer that both works are Norway and Iceland and her does dressage with his icelandics, his tölt in the ring is massive and I look up to him. I asked him if collection that is used in dressage would hurt the tolt and he said no! It's the same collection, the only difference is that we use don't use the collection when we are doing fast tölt, only in the slow one! I think, before you comment next time you should know what you are talking about!

I would advise then that when talking about dressage collection you read up or learn exactly what it is for it is obvious you have little or no understanding.

Any collection achieved on an Icelandic pony to improve the tolt is not or ever will be dressage collection. They are two different worlds.

Certainly in hand work to BRING the horse together (which is not collection and it is this that your trainer is probably referring to) will help but a slow tolt is NOT a collected version of the show fast tolt.

I suggest you look up hind end control and impulsion to get a better understanding of what collection really is.
     
    08-16-2010, 01:51 PM
  #20
Foal
Hello Thelma,
I cannot answer your question about the limits of Icelandic horses in dressage. I can provide some data about how my individual Icelandic is performing in his introduction to dressage. I did not start riding until my late 40s and got my first horse, an Icelandic named Blessi (Veigar fra Budardal) when I turned 50. Since I was new to riding, Blessi and I have gotten regular dressage lessons--mainly to improve my balance and knowledge of the aids. We also get tolt riding lessons. My Icelandic instructor incorporated basic dressage--shoulder in, collected trot and canter, etc., as part of Blessi's tolt training (which is not ridden in a collected way in Blessi's case). My Icelandic instructor moved out of the area so I have been taking lessons with an open minded dressage instructor who is adapting her training methods to Blessi's confirmation.

My instructor Danielle rode Blessi at his first dressage test (non-gaited) at a local level B, schooling show over the weekend. They did the introductory level A & B (walk-trot). The judge was an A level judge and we had no idea how she would score a short legged, thick necked, furry pony. They took blue ribbons in both classes, scoring a 68.5 and a 72.0. The 72.0 represents the third highest score of the entire show. The highest score was 72.8 at this show. Danelle and Blessi scored a 9 out 10 for movement 7 (trotting a right circle). We were thrilled with these results.

Here is a link to a video of his performance:

So I can say without a doubt that an Icelandic can do a very nice job at a local level in dressage with training. The dressage instructors with whom I have spoken predict that if he continues with his training, Blessi can do a credible job up to third level.

Just some data for your consideration. Oh, and you need to find an open minded, adaptable dressage instructor. The first dressage instructor to whom I took Blessi said that he was untrainable--she could not get him to accept the bit, his trot was impure, and the tolt was an abomination. Blessi had his revenge over the weekend.

I am not sure where you live but I would recommend that you and your Icelandics try riding in an open dressage competition. I just need to get up my nerve to try it myself. Blessi and Danelle set the bar very high.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, that the more collected work we do at the trot and canter, the better Blessi tolts. The dressage exercises really strengthen his hindquarters.
Regards, Pamela
     

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