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post #11 of 16 Old 06-18-2011, 12:11 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Spyder View Post

What I can't stand in a coach is the kind that stand and bark out orders and just keep saying..thats good, just keep on doing that. For even if they are correct in what I want I STILL want better. I also believe in NOT allowing anyone to continue ( I will stop them and re explain or change to a different method) when it is not coming together (hoping that it will I assume) for every step ridden wrong is one more step trained into the horse that is incorrect.
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And like an idiot, I thought I understood but did not, so I bumbled ahead, and it took a long time of no progress, because she thought I got it, I thought I got it, but I was clueless

I think this is exactly my problem. After a lesson my instructor tells me how marvelous I did, then I look at pictures of me riding and say "Hey wait a second, why is she letting me ask the horse to lift and round when I still can't keep my **** elbows bent?!"
I really prefer a nitpicky coach who demands perfection and when I don't get that I sort of just settle and grumble about it. But that's not going to allow me to progress of a rider so I need to demand more.

Spyder, how about I just come and let you yell at me?
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post #12 of 16 Old 06-18-2011, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove View Post

Spyder, how about I just come and let you yell at me?

Actually I am probably the quietest coach around. Not that I have nothing to say but I never yell.

Now if you WANT me to...weeeeeelllll..............
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SD, I would suggest that you are at the point of making good progress. It is likely your coach does not want to rip you apart and leave you feeling like you don't want to come back to her. So ask, ask, ask, til she is sick of it.

I love it when my trainer takes pics, I always have an OMG moment, that is not what I think I am doing, nor how I think I look. It takes seeing it with my own eyes to actually hear what she says, even though I think I listen.
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Hehe Spyder, I'm sure you could make me feel like a total noob without raising your voice :P

I actually had to drag my boyfriend who is deathly allergic to horses out to get these pictures. Not a bad idea to ask my instructor though.
I have asked her "Am I curving my lower back too much? How are my elbows? Am I getting him using his back" when I feel like I am doing it right to try and develop a feel for when things are going well.
It probably wouldnt hurt to just directly tell her to nitpick me though...
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post #15 of 16 Old 07-25-2011, 04:26 PM
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Don't throw your trainer into the fire just yet! A lot of trained horses, especially warmbloods are used to being ridden by strong (physically) riders with firm cores and consistent aids. When a less experienced rider gets on, the horse tries to do it's thing and that is forward. If the new rider can't get the horse back on his or her seat, you will probably continue to feel that pulling/heavy sensation. You were probably feeling this horse's push and never quite got it to carry.

Bend for a trained horse comes from the seat and leg, and flexion is something used as a correction (or facilitation) through the reins. You do need to have some contact and feel of the mouth to communicate with the horse. For a younger/greener horse you want an even contact, but you want to feel them pushing into the outside rein. This allows you to control the outside of the horse in a circle and assists you in a half halt down the road.
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post #16 of 16 Old 07-30-2011, 10:34 AM
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SD, I was interested in this topic mysef, and I found this online:
It is very important for your horse to be “on the outside rein”. Only then can he bend correctly to the inside, be straight and in a good lateral balance and fully express himself in all three gaits.
When a horse is “on the outside rein” you will feel more weight on this rein as opposed to the inside rein and the inside rein will then become very passive.
There are several exercises you can do to achieve this and here’s one of them.
Ride your horse in working trot to start on a twenty meter circle (the walk and canter are more difficult). Gradually come into a smaller circle in the middle of your big circle until you get a 10 or 8 metre circle depending on your horse’s level and capabilities. When closing the circle make sure you do not lose the rhythm and impulsion and that your horse keeps parallel to the circle, correctly bent as the circle requires. Your shoulders should always be parallel to your horse’s shoulders by rotating your upper body slightly to the inside of the circle instead of collapsing in. When closing the circle carry a little more weight on your inside seat bone and stirrup.
Once you are on the small circle, your horse’s top line perfectly adopting the line of the circle, get him lighter on the inside rein by keeping it open on a relaxed arm, shoulder and wrist and using your inside leg at the girth. Receive and control the actions of your inside leg onto your outside rein. Your outside leg should be placed slightly behind the girth in order to keep the hind quarters in line.
Once your horse has given in to your inside leg and rein, gradually leg yield him out of the small circle until he gets to the 20 meter circle. He should always keep parallel to the circle, his shoulders leading slightly so that he keeps a good forward movement and engagement of the hind legs. When leg yielding him out switch your weight slightly from the inside seat bone and stirrup to the outside seat bone and stirrup so that your horse can use his inside hind leg to push his weight out and cross over correctly. Do not let your horse fall out to the big circle. He must keep going forward as he crosses over in a leg yield.
As you move towards your twenty meter circle, you should feel your horse gaining more contact on the outside rein as he gets lighter on your inside rein and moves nicely off your inside leg. Think of asking your horse to move from his inside hind leg towards his outside front leg.
This exercise will also help him to bring his back up as he engages well behind and in balance.
Common mistakes you should avoid:
1.Loss of rhythm as you go to the smaller circle and on the small circle;
2.Collapsing your body to the inside
3.Allowing your shoulders, arms and wrists to be inflexible
4.When leg yielding your horse out of the circle, make sure he keeps parallel to the circle instead of letting him trail with his hind end, fall on the outside shoulder or over bend.
5.In the leg yielding your horse must not lose the forward movement.

“Anything forced and misunderstood can never be beautiful” Xenophon, 380 B.C.

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