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    08-24-2010, 09:01 AM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
Horses move away from pressure, you should be sitting on your inside seat bone to 'push' the horse across to the wall.

Well I have heard from many dressage riders to sit in the direction your going.. for instance if ur trying to get your horses inside right leg to come up and reach over to the left how are they going to reach over as much as they can if your sitting on that side...

I've been told by a dressage rider- imagine you have a child sitting on your shoulders and the kid leans to the left you move over to the left with the child to stay in balance with them.. its very uncomfortable to have them leaning to the opposite side you're on therefore you want to balance them and move in the direction they are leaning..
     
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    08-24-2010, 08:08 PM
  #12
Trained
Interesting, different ways of doing things, but I have always learnt to sit slightly (simply weighting my stirrup, not sitting heavily on the seat bone) to the inside, due to the horse's nature to move away from pressure.
And yes, this is from a number of professional dressage riders and international clinicians. Riding tests, I always get a 7 or 8 for my legs yields - so sitting lightly to the inside can't be that wrong hey ;)
     
    08-24-2010, 09:49 PM
  #13
Weanling
Thanks everyone for all the information.

Thanks for the video links too, I have a few videos of jane savoie's but hadn't seen those two.

I;ve worked with him on the ground tonight o teach him to move away from pressure of my hand behind his girth so at the weekend i'll give it a go in the saddle. I guess it'll take time and practice too ;)
     
    08-25-2010, 08:14 AM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
Interesting, different ways of doing things, but I have always learnt to sit slightly (simply weighting my stirrup, not sitting heavily on the seat bone) to the inside, due to the horse's nature to move away from pressure.
And yes, this is from a number of professional dressage riders and international clinicians. Riding tests, I always get a 7 or 8 for my legs yields - so sitting lightly to the inside can't be that wrong hey ;)

Well to each their own.. some methods work for some horses and some for others :)
     
    08-25-2010, 11:03 PM
  #15
Trained
I agree with what Kayty is saying about just lightly weighting the inside seat bone. The other way, you're basically forcing the horse to move over by unbalancing it on purpose which defeats the purpose of doing dressage in the first place which is to create a balanced horse. By weighting the inside, it's more a suggestive aid to the horse to move away from that pressure. The rider should be sitting square and balanced in the saddle or else it will all just go to hell, no?
     
    08-26-2010, 12:10 AM
  #16
Green Broke
Stella--Although you are using your legs to push the horse over, you still need to steer! You arent using a direct rein, but an indirect rein to help move them over. (or at least to how I was taught how to leg yeild)
     
    08-26-2010, 12:19 AM
  #17
Trained
Adding to your comment VelvetsAB, the purpose of leg yielding is to set the horse up for the learning of lateral movements, in which the horse must work into an outside rein contact. The outside rein must be held steady and elastic to provide the horse with an appropriate contact to work into, thus allowing the energy created through asking the hind legs to 'engage' by stepping under the horse's centre of gravity and taking the majority of it's weight, to be 'held together' and used in a positive manner such as allowing the steps to come higher and the forehand to lighten, rather than allowing this energy to simply fall out through the outside shoulder, the result of not maintaining a rein contact.
     
    09-01-2010, 10:03 AM
  #18
Weanling
When I initially taught my horses LY I taught weighted my outside seat bone. Later as I taught them walk/canter pirouettes and Half Pass I weighted my inside seat bone.

So if the leg/rein aides are correct they will move in the correct direction.

The reins are use in LY since:
LY horses looks left/move right and looks right while moving left

HP (Half Pass) The horse looks in the direction it is moving:
Horse looks right and moves to the right,
Horse looks left while moving to the left.

In both HP and LY you use the reins to establish the bend (slightly for LY so horse is almost straight by SLIGHTLY looking away from the direction in which it is moving).
     
    09-10-2010, 02:56 AM
  #19
Super Moderator
weighting inside or outside for lateral movement

I have to weigh in on this.
I believe you must weight the side of the horse on the side where he is going. No matter what direction he is bent, you must weight toward the direction of movement, and in this case it is toward the outside of the leg yield.
Another reader gave an excellent example of carrying a child. You must go in the direction of the weight. It is not forcing your horse. You are already asking it to go , say, left, with pressure from your right leg. Weighting the left seatbone is only natural to HELP your horse stay balanced rather than to have your weight work at defeating his attempt to comply with your leg aid request to go left.
Also, I think if you really try this you will see that when you put a leg on a horse, if you use any thigh pressure at all (and many riders do), the seat bone of that pressing leg actually comes off the saddle a tiny bit, and consequently the other seat bone pushes into the saddle a tiny bit.
The seatbones CAN NOT move independently. IT is an anatomical impossibility. When one moves, the other does too.

Ok , what dya think?
     
    09-10-2010, 06:21 AM
  #20
Weanling
I strongly agree with Kayty's posts. I've had international coaches/judges/dressage riders tell me the exact same thing. I don't think the example of using the child is a very good example as it doesn't take into account the leg aides for leg yield.
I mean, if I had a child on my shoulders and someone was digging me in the ribs on the right (of course, we don't dig in the ribs, but I'm exaggerating), I'd be moving to the left in an effort to get away from the pressure. If the kid remains balanced, I'm fine. If the kid leans to the right, I'm ok. If the kid leans to the left, I fall over.
In my opinion, placing more weight on the direction the horse is going is not helping, but hindering the horse.
When I'm riding leg yield and place weight in the direction I'm going, my horse blocks. He's got pressure from my leg and pressure from my weight. I get a confused horse, so I push him on but block with my hands to stop him speeding up. The only way he can go is up. So up he goes. I also get comments like "Horse and rider are unbalanced" when I use that technique. I can assure you, my horse and I can flat gallop a very balanced 20m circle so it's not our balance that's the issue.

But yeah, that's just the way I see it. Whatever floats your boat really.
     

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