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    05-27-2012, 10:14 AM
  #21
Trained
As a parent, I would run a mile from a school that let a person with only 8 months experience riding at all anywhere near the middle of the ring to take a lesson. Assisting, sure, that's a great way for you to consolidate the learning that you, as a beginner, are still learning. But there is no way known to man that I would let you teach my complete beginner children, and no way I would trust a school that lets a beginner teach like that.

Beginners need far more experienced teachers than most people realise. When you are teaching a beginner, you aren't just correcting posture and instructing them which aids to use when. YOU are the one that has to be watching the horse at all times to make sure nothing untoward happens, YOU have to be aware of EVERYTHING that is going on in the ring and outside it so you can anticipate any possible situations that may arise, and YOU have to be the one who knows how to deal with the situations when they do come up.

On top of that, a beginner does not have a broad enough knowledge to give another beginner a broad base of knowledge, and thus you are restricting your students. Imagine you are building a pyramid - if the base is narrow, it can't be built very high at all. But if you build a broad base of knowledge, you can go much higher.
     
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    05-27-2012, 10:21 AM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by dejavuchicka    
you look like a naturally talented rider", that's a direct quote from YOU.
For a rank beginner who doesn't understand the concepts of following the horses movements, can't show an independent use of your hands/legs/seat, and has no concept of how to influence the horse with your body.. sure... you're great. You're great for a beginner. But that's what you are: A rank beginner. An "I've been riding for eight months", absolute beginner, beginner who is still learning how dangerous and difficult riding can be.

Can you honestly tell when a rider's weight is preventing the horse from cantering or turning? Can you distinguish between the pony that appears naughty because he doesn't want to, from the pony that can't because the rider is interfering? Can you explain to the kid why the pony won't do it, and how to fix it? Or are you just telling them to set the head and smack the pony to go? A good trainer should be able to teach the "why's" and "how's" for everything. You should be able to explain exactly what muscles are used in posting the trot, why we use those, and describe in different ways what the correct feeling should feel like. How can you do that when you don't know what it should feel like? How can you teach someone, who knows nothing of the correct feel, how to feel when they are following the motion of the horse? You weren't following the motion of your horse in the video, how can you teach others how when you don't know?

You've been riding for 8 whole months. That is still rank beginner. We've all felt like big know-it-alls who could handle anything at that stage. A year, or two, later you'll look back and wonder how the heck no one got hurt worse than they did (which hopefully they won't).

I get that you feel you're more then ready to do this... but horses have a horrible way of teaching us humility when we get in above our skill level.

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I've been training for teaching under my trainers and they have no hesitations about putting me in this position.
What you'll be teaching these kids is that it only takes 8 months to learn everything they need, and then they can be a trainer too! Which is exactly what your trainer has taught you.

Let me put it this way... Let's say you'd never driven a car before and you paid a driving instructor to teach you. That driving instructor teaches you that you should keep one foot on the brake and one on the gas at all times. Because you've never driven before, you accept his teaching as 'correct' because you are paying him to teach you correctly. But that doesn't mean what he's telling you is correct. In fact, if you went to any other driving instructors they would laugh at you. The problem is... you'll never know that your driving instructor taught you wrong because you don't have any other point of reference to compare it against. You assume that because they are a trainer, that they know what they're talking about. And they SHOULD know what they're talking about. But the fact of the matter is, there are thousands of amazingly crappy trainers out there churning out riders who even more poorly trained.

This is the situation you are in right now. Your trainer is the driving instructor... and soon you will be the driving instructor. And both of you are creating little driving instructors who don't know any better.


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By the way, how dare you insinuate that I am going to get someone seriously hurt. I will not stand for this blatant disrespect! I do respect the knowledge you have presented to me, but the video you see is on me riding dressage, not my teaching abilities. You have no idea what I am able to do in that area, so do NOT say that I am going to get someone hurt based on nothing at all besides the fact I have been riding for almost 8 months.
Dressage isn't the issue.

I'm not saying you will willingly, or knowingly, put someone in a dangerous situation. It's your inexperience that will cause you to put yourself and others into dangerous situations.

I'll leave you to your own choices... I wish you'd take some lessons from other trainers for a while, experience different trainers, take the next year to learn how to rider better before teaching others. I'm pretty sure you're not going to do that because you've already made up your mind that you're qualified enough to do this... And you want the free pony.
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    05-27-2012, 10:28 AM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
As a parent, I would run a mile from a school that let a person with only 8 months experience riding at all anywhere near the middle of the ring to take a lesson. Assisting, sure, that's a great way for you to consolidate the learning that you, as a beginner, are still learning. But there is no way known to man that I would let you teach my complete beginner children, and no way I would trust a school that lets a beginner teach like that.

Beginners need far more experienced teachers than most people realise. When you are teaching a beginner, you aren't just correcting posture and instructing them which aids to use when. YOU are the one that has to be watching the horse at all times to make sure nothing untoward happens, YOU have to be aware of EVERYTHING that is going on in the ring and outside it so you can anticipate any possible situations that may arise, and YOU have to be the one who knows how to deal with the situations when they do come up.

On top of that, a beginner does not have a broad enough knowledge to give another beginner a broad base of knowledge, and thus you are restricting your students. Imagine you are building a pyramid - if the base is narrow, it can't be built very high at all. But if you build a broad base of knowledge, you can go much higher.
I'm very much agree with this. Beginner teaching beginner leads nowhere and simply unsafe IMHO. You have to start with basics and teach correctly to establish a foundation for future. And every person is different, and needs a different approach. With all respect I just can't see the person with no experience to be able to do that. Besides if the situation goes wrong (and I've seen it happened even with the BTDT beginner horses), the beginner "instructor" simply may not (and probably will not) react correctly to deal with it.

I have no problem what so ever with the beginner rider helping with tack, helmets, or lead lines (for little ones) under the guidance of the seasoned instructor. But big NO-NO to the actual teaching.
     
    05-27-2012, 01:39 PM
  #24
Foal
I guess you guys are right, which is why I got so defensive, and I really apologize. I've been sick the last few days so I've been pretty grumpy. You guys have got me thinking if I'm really qualified to do this, which has been in the back of my mind this whole time. I think I'm going to have a sit down with the BO and talk about my concerns.

The biggest reason they are having me do this is because one girl is switching colleges to another state and the previous instructor for the youngins is moving up to take over her classes, so they need someone to teach the kids. I do realize I won't be the most amazing instructor in the world, but these kids are in round pens and aren't looking compete, this is just fun for them. I guess that is my justification.. You guys are right though and I just didn't want to see it. :\ I apologize for me previous post.
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    05-27-2012, 05:49 PM
  #25
Trained
I am assuming, and maybe putting too much faith in the senior instructors reasoning, that you will be supervised while teaching and won't be doing much more than the odd jobs around a lesson, and maybe leading young kids around for their first few rides? As that's where most start with coaching anyway.
If you're being left to your own devices, teaching them to ride walk, trot and canter, THEN I see a problem.
Absolute basics of basics, then no worries it's probably good for you as well to solidify your understanding.
But PLEASE, check insurance!!!!!!!!!
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    06-02-2012, 07:16 PM
  #26
Foal
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Originally Posted by core    
I re-read the part about why you chose this trainer. Keep taking lessons from her if that is what you can afford and are comfortable with now. But supplement it with reading and videos. I'm sure others on here have good suggestions for books and videos. My favorite is "Centered Riding" by Swift. The author explains how to use your body and how things should feel when correct. It's a good book for any discipline of riding and focuses on basics.
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Sally swift is amazing! If you can get ahold of one of her videos, watch it, and rewatch it again. I watch it a few times a semester because it is just so helpful
     
    06-02-2012, 07:26 PM
  #27
Foal
I have been riding for a solid 8 years under collegiate level instructors and even some top instructors in the country, I have taken 3 teaching horsemanship classes that focuses strictly on becoming a riding instructor, and I still would feel very uncomfortable being thrown in a round pen to teach a beginner student. Rethink all of this and maybe talk to the Bo and see if you can just be a teaching tech in the ring under a more advanced instructor so that you can learn the basics of teaching, while also still learning to ride yourself.
     

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