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post #71 of 94 Old 07-22-2011, 09:24 PM
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OK, Spyder. So could you explain the dynamic of the turn then, please? Is it the same idea of stepping wider with the outside leg?

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OK, Spyder. So could you explain the dynamic of the turn then, please? Is it the same idea of stepping wider with the outside leg?

I will let someone else answer this.
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Thank you for this thread, Spyder.

I am sure you have a hundred things to do that are more important to yourself than sitting here typing long posts to teach a bunch of folks you don't know, but we sure do appreciate it.
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To balance and steady the rhythmic motion.

I don't use it for complete collection though. My guy is trained to collect, by a light pressure with the calf and being driven by my seat, to gather up the hind end, and a slight raised position of my hands, and he steadies and drops his head. (Mind, he's also trained in Western Pleasure. Different worlds, and different headsets. Yet, he distinguishes to two, but is still balanced through both positions).

Half halts, I use to engage, and bump them off their forehand. Also good for speedy horses. When they get speedy, they get flat. A half halt brings them back down, to a balanced pace and position.

Atleast, that's what I've always interpretted it doing.

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I'm still at begginer questions Let me know if I got this right...

I should use right rein in the moment the left hind leg is leaving the ground and release rein when the leg starts to touch the ground?
When should I add leg aid? Before rein or both at the same time?

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Interesting thread!

I hadn't really thought about it, but Spyder's right - most folks have some idea about the cues but aren't really clear on what the biomechanical result should be.

I was very lucky to attend a wonderful clinic by Elizabeth Lewis early in my dressage education where she did a demo on the half halt.

Elizabeth usually began and ended her clinics with a mounted demonstration, which she would narrate/comment on from a lapel microphone.

I can't tell you enough what a wonderful teaching technique this is - to be able to see a horse and rider at that level, and have the rider explain what she's doing while she's doing it - it's incredible.

This time she was on her current Grand Prix horse, Dream Dancer. She demonstrated half halts on Danny, ranked them in intensity from 1 to 10. A "1" or whisper half halt was barely perceptible to us on the ground, other than Danny appeared a little lighter. A "10" half halt actually produced a pause in the rhythm of his trot and he visibly sat down more on his inside hind - it was somewhat comicial to watch. I had a little momemt of clarity when I saw that and suddenly understand how a half halt prepared a horse for pirouettes and helped produce passage. It was also when I finally understood what "through" meant - on a horse that's not through, the half halt only affects the front end. "Through" means the effect of your aids goes all the way through the horse's body, hence the extra "sit" behind. Also, once I had seen the "10" half halt and it's effect, it was much easier to see the lower intensity ones and their effects.

So to anyone who's struggling with this concept and has access to a coach who's riding or competing at a higher level, ask them to do a similiar demonstration for you.
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Subbing. I think Spyder needs to come over to western Canada and do a clinic.

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Subbing. I think Spyder needs to come over to western Canada and do a clinic.
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This is going to be great! My timing was HORRENDOUS in practice but I really like this diagonal half halt - especially for an OTTB. It makes a lot of sense. Most horses favor one side over the other anyway.

I was thinking though - I learned how to half halt the way MIEventer explained the way she half halts (on both sides.) Makes some sense because I learned how to ride from an eventer. So, since we know that there are a few different ways to half halt, then wouldn't each way be best suited to different disciplines? I think I would prefer to use the whole-body, back leverage if needed, both sides half halt on an XC course as opposed to the alternating diagonal half halt that we have been discussing. Does that make sense?
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This is going to be great! My timing was HORRENDOUS in practice but I really like this diagonal half halt - especially for an OTTB. It makes a lot of sense. Most horses favor one side over the other anyway.

I was thinking though - I learned how to half halt the way MIEventer explained the way she half halts (on both sides.) Makes some sense because I learned how to ride from an eventer. So, since we know that there are a few different ways to half halt, then wouldn't each way be best suited to different disciplines? I think I would prefer to use the whole-body, back leverage if needed, both sides half halt on an XC course as opposed to the alternating diagonal half halt that we have been discussing. Does that make sense?

Up to this point I have explain basic half halting however advanced half halting will become more of "adjustments" to the balance of the horse and here is where most people get muddled.

If the horse has advanced in a correct manner and the rider understands the aids then the half halt becomes customized for each horse.

Also up to this point I have explained it more in its usage relating to the trot to make the explanation clearer.

We should also know that the walk is to train the rider ( slower gait to figure out where everything goes).

The trot is the training gait as it is from this gait that corrections and balances can be more easily corrected and impulsion more easily defined.

The canter quality is the result of correct and advanced work at the trot.

My own horse was taught as I have explained it. He was ridden X country by a trainer that also rides like I have explained. He has done dressage and hunter and jumper with no change in the way the aids are given and he is not a TB or OTTB. So I believe it has cross discipline ability as it is in understanding WHAT the aids do that the basis from what this thread sprang from.
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