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post #21 of 29 Old 01-20-2012, 05:53 PM
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Does a dressage rider use a forward seat? Is someone using a forward seat doing a W/T/C incorrectly? If the horse doesn't have a bit, will he be allowed to take the dressage basics test? What if the rider is neck reining his horse? Is that correct?

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Or this one?



Would they fail basic riding? Or are they good riders riding in a different but equally acceptable style?

Does a polo player modify the dressage seat, or the dressage rider modify the polo seat?

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The basics of dressage set you up for success in dressage. The basics of jumpers set you up for success in jumping.
From George Morris, a guy that's forgotten more about horsemanship than you and I combined will ever know.

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It used to be a "dirty" word but dressage has finally caught on in the US. Now everybody is doing it - hunter riders, jumper riders, and equitation riders. Why has this happened more noticeably over the last ten years than over the preceeding fifty? Because horses today need to be more and more schooled in order to be competitive, to have a chance for a ribbon.

A hunter that does not bend in his corners and make perfect flying changes is out of the ribbons. A slightly out of control jumper needs a lot of luck to win a Preliminary class, let alone a Grand Prix. An equitation horse that is anything less than a third level dressage horse simply hasn't been trained enough......

Jumping courses today is more like riding a simple dressage test over fences. The long five strides to the short four strides; the bending lines, the acute half-turns, etc, all demand horses that are perfectly obedient, soft, supple, and most important, relaxed......

Hunter Seat Equitation, 3rd Edition, page xxv
Dude. Seriously. This guy has been our Olympic jumping team Chef D'Equipe forever.

What he says simply contradicts what you think 100%.
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Does a dressage rider use a forward seat? Is someone using a forward seat doing a W/T/C incorrectly? If the horse doesn't have a bit, will he be allowed to take the dressage basics test? What if the rider is neck reining his horse? Is that correct?

How would this guy do:



Or this one?



Would they fail basic riding? Or are they good riders riding in a different but equally acceptable style?

Does a polo player modify the dressage seat, or the dressage rider modify the polo seat?
This has nothing to do at all with style, bits, or reins.
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No, it does not. Is dressage riding THE way of riding, or A way of riding?

Does George Morris ride like a dressage rider? If he rode as he normally does, how well would he score in a basic dressage test?

When a horse canters on the forehand, extended, is that good, basic dressage? Is a WP lope good dressage? Can a horse or rider differ from basic dressage, and be completely correct? Why do SOME dressage riders insist their way is the only way, and all other riding is a degraded variation?

... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)
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...They are basic dressage movements because they are what a basic dressage test asks for. They are also the basics of good riding. Because they are both one and the same thing.

... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)
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Does EVERY topic regarding dressage HAVE to turn into a debate about what is basic dressage and what is not?
Please stay on topic.

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Does EVERY topic regarding dressage HAVE to turn into a debate about what is basic dressage and what is not?
Please stay on topic.

Thank you thank you and thank you.

I have pretty much stopped posting because of the stalking of every dressage topic posted.
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Sorry.. last point.. maybe they should start a topic in dressage about this and therefore not crashland on other topics :O Just a thought guys.
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Thank you thank you and thank you.

I have pretty much stopped posting because of the stalking of every dressage topic posted.
For the record, apart from this thread, my last post on a thread in the dressage section was 10 days ago...I'm not sure how that qualifies as "the stalking of every dressage topic posted". Three posts on one thread on 10 January...stalking? You haven't been able to get a word in edgewise during the last 10 days?

BTW - I've adjusted my account so that 'new posts' will not include any from the dressage section from now on. Folks will be able to discuss issues without fear of a conflicting opinion!

... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)

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