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    09-23-2012, 11:45 AM
  #1
Trained
oh hey... I actually CAN sit the trot!

For so long, I've been working on my sitting trot thinking that the issue was with ME - probably the better part of the last year or more!! What happens is I sit the trot and my heels come up and my lower leg starts moving around all over the place, and then after about 6-7 strides I start bouncing, so to save my horse's back I go back to rising.

Well, I rode a different horse in a different dressage saddle a few months ago (FEI dressage horse so he had a BIG trot!) and found that I didn't struggle at all to keep my position or stay with him. My legs and abs died because I'm not used to doing much sitting trot at all, but the coach I was riding him under didn't have any complaints about my position or lower leg at all beyond a couple of reminders to keep my heels down, and to stop leaning forward when I ask for the canter (bad habit of mine!!). She kept yelling at me about my dreadful circles, but by the second lesson she left my position alone entirely... except for the canter thing which I honestly cannot break!

So, I thought it was my horse, because his movement is different to a big floaty warmblood (rather flat and he can be very bouncy)... still worked on myself a lot, but had issues in BOTH my saddles.

Well, the other day, I was riding bareback, and suddenly I realised that I was sitting the trot, my lower leg was staying still, and I was having no trouble staying with my horse. Saddle back on, no stirrups... BAM can't sit trot. Saddle off, can sit trot. Switched saddle to my jumping saddle, no stirrups, can't sit trot. Saddle off, CAN sit trot.

...hmmmmm....

Starting to wonder if my saddles are the issue here? The dressage sits really nicely on him and doesn't move at all, but it's a synthetic suede bucket seat type saddle and I have friends of similar body types who cannot sit the trot in that particular model of saddle. The jumping saddle is CAIR, and bounces, and nobody else who's ridden in it can sit the trot in it.

Borrowed a friend's saddle, also a synthetic suede deal but with a flatter seat. Could sit trot easily!

...I think I need a new dressage saddle, but meanwhile I'm celebrating the fact that actually, I can sit the trot, it's NOT me, and it's NOT my horse.
     
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    09-23-2012, 12:26 PM
  #2
Started
I can sit my STBs trot (she was a pacer so her trot is painful) better bareback than I can in my saddles.
I think it's because the saddle's more solid than the horse's back and our butts.
But that's just what I think of it, I could be totally wrong. Lol
     
    09-23-2012, 12:33 PM
  #3
Trained
Perhaps, Lexiie, perhaps :) I have always had an easier time sitting the trot bareback than in a saddle, but when I had a STB I couldn't sit trot AT ALL. And then, borrowing my friend's saddle, I had no trouble at all on my lad... perhaps I should find that very same make and model for Monty. It's also more likely to fit Magic, because miss Magic has a really short back for her size. Doesn't look especially short, but Monty's saddle is miles too long for her. It's really bulky, though, so I won't have any trouble finding something to fit Magic if I look for less bulky saddles.

Oh well, off I go to start saving (after I've paid for a few things first!)...
     
    09-23-2012, 12:39 PM
  #4
Started
I've gotten REALLY lucky with the saddles I've purchased. They both fit pretty well

If you're lucky for a dressage saddle, I really like the Wintec that's all equisuede.
I would ride my friend's TB in it and it was like you didn't even have to try to sit!!
     
    09-23-2012, 12:51 PM
  #5
Trained
Oh my dressage saddle fits my boy, was professionally fitted not that long ago and nothing has changed. I just can't sit trot in it for long! A friend has had the exact same issue.

I ride in a Eurohunter FlexRider which is a cheap ripoff of the Wintec Isabell... and the friend who has had the exact same issue used to have a Wintec Isabell that looked pretty much identical, so it's not the "cheap" factor that's the issue here. Said friend bought a Bates Innova... which I really want but can't afford.

The dressage saddle I borrowed was a Wintec Pro, and actually used to be mine until I sold it to my mother and my mother traded it for a Wintec Western... I sold it because it didn't fit the horse that I had at the time, and now I sort of wish I hadn't, because when I borrowed it, it was perfect for Monty, AND I could actually ride in it to the best of my ability.
     
    09-23-2012, 12:53 PM
  #6
Started
Yeah, Wintec Pro. That's what it was. I loved that saddle! Hahah
     
    09-23-2012, 12:56 PM
  #7
Trained
I want another one D:

...although I think I want a smaller one, and in brown, not black... hahahaha the one I used to have was black 18" and was not a great fit for me, but I changed shape/grew and now it does fit... all the same I would rather ride in a 17-17.5 inch, and brown would suit my filly better.
     
    09-24-2012, 03:35 PM
  #8
Trained
As much as I hate Wintecs, I will say that the OLD pro is the only saddle I would cautiously recommend because it is not so poorly structured that it places the rider in an awful position. The new pros are just as horrendous as the Isabelle.
However, I will say to go buy padded cycling shorts to wear under your breeches. I like my saddles to not be cushiony, but the pro is so hard, I rode in one a few times and had open sores on my behind.

If you are looking for an inexpensive option to replacing your saddle, you can find many older (pre 1970s) Passiers, Stubbens, etc. for around $500. They are very classically correct saddles that do not hinder position and after a good reflocking and with the correct tree size, fit just as well as a newer saddle. I bought a new KN for $2500 recently and have found 10 year old KNs for around $1000 or less. They are another good option, and a more modern style, for saddle shopping on a budget. I have an easy time sitting my horse's very large and uncomfortable trot in my KN, despite it's lack of thigh blocks and low cantle.

Good luck!
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    09-24-2012, 11:40 PM
  #9
Green Broke
It's amazing the difference a saddle makes. I just replaced my old Wintec Pro Dressage (technically not actually mine...) with a very nice saddle that actually helps me stay in the right position instead of me having to fight to stay there. Sitting the trot suddenly became a non-problem

I'm thinking my old Pro isn't as old as the one Anabel's referring to though. I'd never describe it as having a hard seat, especially after comparing it to all the saddles I tried while shopping for its replacement.
     
    09-25-2012, 10:04 AM
  #10
Trained
Anebel, thank you, I appreciate your suggestions :)

The problem with my boy is that he is quite wide, and all the older saddles I have looked at have been quite narrow. I am more than willing to keep an eye open for a nice older saddle, but I'm a bit wary of them because so few of them seem to be wide enough for my lad.

Being that I'm getting a little more into the show hack (er, hunter) side of things, I've been thinking about trying to find an older turnout saddle still in good condition. I dislike massive thigh blocks, except in the Bates Innova which for some reason I simply adore (but sadly can't afford)... I also really like the Caprilli dressage/show. I like the ease of maintenance of the Wintec saddles I have now, but prefer the look and feel of leather, so if I can find something nice that I can afford, I'll be looking at upgrading sooner rather than later.

My budget at present, however, is pretty much zero due to my 18th coming up and me being the one to pay for the party - can you say ouch?!

Edit; my Pro was only 3 years old when I bought it, just over 2 years ago, and I loved it, but yes... it put me in a bad position. I had a terrible chair seat in it... although that may have been due to the size of it. I have a pre-changeable-gullets Pro which I adored and rode well in, but I outgrew it, so it became my beach saddle, and then I loaned it to a friend because it was a great fit for her and her horse. Frustratingly, it's about the perfect width for Monty, and if it was a touch larger I'd be asking for it back.
     

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