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    04-01-2012, 07:04 PM
  #1
Yearling
OK, next question :) Inconsistent Right Lead Canter

As indicated, I am having problems getting a consistent correct lead when tracking right. It generally takes three tries though I did get it in two this afternoon :).

When I initially started canter transitions the horse would leap into it after doing some hard sidestepping and shakng his head. Now, I am finally getting a calm depart but an inconsistent right lead; left is pretty consistent and that is actually his stiff side though as a former racer it makes sense the left is easier.

I know I have to get him off my inside hand and if I do a spiralling circle in and then out, and then ask for the transition, I can get the lead, but, this isn't going to work for the dressage show arena. I know where the transition has to occur in the test and have already started practicing setting the horse up by using a slightly stronger inside leg to bend him before using the canter aid. Concentrating today I did notice that I do use my inside seatbone to help push the canter (thought I was using the outside one all this time :) ). I put weight on the inside seat bone, sit up and back, put the outside leg back and the inside leg a little more forward (this is the way the horse was intially trained and he seems to prefer it to the standard at the girth position). I also do a few half halts with the inside rein to get him off that shoulder just before asking for the transition. For info sake, we are only at Intro level with the first Intro C test to be ridden in show in a couple of weeks.

Am I on the right track here or can anyone think of another option that might sharpen this up a little?
     
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    04-01-2012, 07:47 PM
  #2
Started
Sounds good on the departure department, keep that up.

My question is, is the horse "used" to going on the right lead? This usually happens with babies, or trainers who jump on and get right in their face and don't realize that the horse simple needs to be comfortable loping on that lead. To help a horse with cadence issues, I'll just put on a loose rein, cue the lead, and just let the horse canter around on that lead for a looong time. Helps them build confidence sometimes. Sometimes I'll get a horse who's real uppity on a "bad" lead, and after letting them just chill out on it and relax, they'll realize that there's no need to fight so much.

Kind of deviated with your problem, but I had a recent horse who I focused so much on departures (and halting after a couple good strides) that I didn't even realize he was just simple uncoordinated and uncomfortable loping around on the one lead. Otherwise I think you just have to put the miles on him. And I wouldn't think about showing until you can get his canter consistent, it's just not fair to the horse to perform in a stressful environment when he cannot do it at home. I always say my horse has to be twice as slow, twice as responsive, and twice as good at home to do "normal good" at a show.
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    04-01-2012, 08:12 PM
  #3
Yearling
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Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
My question is, is the horse "used" to going on the right lead? This usually happens with babies, or trainers who jump on and get right in their face and don't realize that the horse simple needs to be comfortable loping on that lead. To help a horse with cadence issues, I'll just put on a loose rein, cue the lead, and just let the horse canter around on that lead for a looong time. Helps them build confidence sometimes. Sometimes I'll get a horse who's real uppity on a "bad" lead, and after letting them just chill out on it and relax, they'll realize that there's no need to fight so much.
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I did that today..once I got the lead I let him canter a bit before bringing him down. It was after that the it only took two tries to get the right lead again; I didn't ask for it again immediately but got him back to a nice relaxed trot before going into the canter exercise.
     
    04-01-2012, 08:28 PM
  #4
Started
Cool! Sounds good. You know, if he "knows" how to take a lead and is just being a putz about it, you can get a little more demanding of him... It's a fine line between knowing when your horse is learning, or know what he is supposed to do and chooses not to do it just 'cause the punishment is not there.

Usually my dead-head four-year olds don't really "think" about the lead because it doesn't bother them when I transition down to change it. If you want to amp it up to the next level, I would either A). Ask from the walk, if he gives you the wrong one, I'd back his butt up and push him forward onto the lead again. Or B). Push him through a leg-yield on the rail and use the outside leg to move him up into the correct lope. Just for thought.
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    04-01-2012, 09:32 PM
  #5
Foal
Well said. I agree it sounds like your horse is still figuring out how to canter on the right lead or isn't quite balanced picking up the lead. Sometimes pushing the haunches in as you ask for the lead can help.
     
    04-02-2012, 12:22 PM
  #6
Weanling
For shows - push horse into outside rein with inside thigh (corners help here) then ask for canter. You are NOT judged in the corners - so use them to get horse stepping underneather itself and into outside rein (open outside rein while pushing with inside thigh).
     
    04-02-2012, 03:52 PM
  #7
Yearling
That is the good thing about this particualr dressage test..the canter is developed in the first 1/4 of the circle...in the corner. He does do better with a more solid corner, like in the indoor arena, but is less likely to come off that inside shoulder when I am working him outside in the wider corners. The dressage arena should help contain that corner which is what I will discover when the panels are reset next week right before the show.
     
    04-02-2012, 08:51 PM
  #8
Yearling
A little more consistent tonight though not 100%. It got to he point, though, where the horse as anticipating the transition and he was picking up the correct right lead on his own. When he did this I was trying to feel how he was moving and tried to duplicate it when asking. The last few transitions were dead on and what I am working with here is to bring my outside leg further back then just behind the girth and bump rather than hold the aid. He definietly wants that inside leg ahead of the girth and I have to be well up and sitting back going into it. He is a tattletale I think. If I come forward or hunch the least little bit he won't pick up that right lead.

I ws right about the left lead. Coming off track he picks that one up very easily with only a gentle nudge.
     
    04-03-2012, 05:07 AM
  #9
Trained
The first thing I would assess would be myself. Am I stiff on one side? Could something I am doing be throwing him off? Always remember that the horse reflects the rider
     

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