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post #61 of 83 Old 04-27-2009, 07:45 PM
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Haha! Me too. In the vids im looking for the western rollback, im like "threr isnt a rollback in either vids lol".
Same reaction I get when someone tells me this is a pirouette.

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Trying to find the definition of a rollback from my ASH handbook...

But what I know as a rollback... The main point is that you cease forward movement. The horse then rocks back on it's haunches, performs a 180 degree turn, and exits the turn on the same line they entered it. If there is no cease of forward movement, at least in the ASH world, it is known as a haunch turn.

Haunch turns I have used to great effect on my old ASh in jumping, never was he beaten in a speed class :]

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Same reaction I get when someone tells me this is a pirouette.

YouTube - Jazz spin 05.19.08
Exactly.

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Oh wow, I can see the rollback now in the jumping vids, but I really have to look. In reining, they're clear as day.
The jazz spin was pretty cool, but is it used in any competition?
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I think they are the same person..? Im confused.


Interesting to see the english rollbacks...this is what I am used to seeing: YouTube - OK Reining Futurity Show Non Pro Stop-Rollback


Haha! Me too. In the vids im looking for the western rollback, im like "threr isnt a rollback in either vids lol".
So glad I wasnt the only one confussed by the difference in terminology lol. Wild_Spot's description is what I was thinking everyone was refering to in the jumping vids. That's what I was looking for, and I just wasnt seeing it :P
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Oh wow, I can see the rollback now in the jumping vids, but I really have to look. In reining, they're clear as day.
The jazz spin was pretty cool, but is it used in any competition?
It is the start of the spin used in reining. When you initially train it, the horse moves pretty slow and you slowly work your way up to speed. The only thing that concerns me though is that horse is not picking up his pivot foot at all. That is so hard on their hocks. :(

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Alright, I'm far less confused now lol

As far as the horse pivoting, I was told in a pivot, you wanted his pivot foot to stay in the same place. Usually this is only in a 90-180 pivot though (all I've worked on for trail and the like) is this incorrect or does it change for reigning?

(If this is too far off topic, ignore me)
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I think it's a bigger problem in reining as they do full spins, sometimes a couple full turns. That's a lot of twist and strain if they don't pick up their pivot leg, though i've never seen a reiner picking up their pivot leg... But I also haven't seen much reining, lol.

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If you watch the reining horses, they will pick up the pivot foot every turn and put it down in the exact same place to relieve the pressure from the pivot. For them to keep it in the exact spot and turn with weight on that one foot for several turns, it puts a lot of strain on the muscles, tendons, and the hock joint itself. If it is done alot, it will cause the horse to go lame.
Here is a pretty poor example because this horse moves his pivot foot around a lot but if you watch, he moves the weight off his pivot foot every turn. That is when he moves it, but a really well trained reining horse would put it back down in the same spot he picked it up from.

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Makes sense.
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