Outline in canter, engaging the hind end

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    02-12-2014, 11:37 AM
Outline in canter, engaging the hind end

So I have been taught to get my mate in an outline and off the forehand by fiddling with both reins or seesawing as most call it. When I was being told to do it, I didn't know. Having done research since then, I have stopped doing that. My friend and many other people have told me to hold her until she drips her head and then let the reins go a little too make the contact lighter. This is really working well and getting her off the forehand in canter and her head in. Is this an okay way to do it? Or are there better ways that no-one has told me about. I haven't been using the hold and the release thing for long, tried it last night and was amazing with the results.
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    02-12-2014, 11:39 AM
Probably a lesson from a good dressage instructor is your best bet.
We want the horse to go to the contact, not duck behind it. The hands do very little beyond holding the reins and indicating flexion. The legs and seat do most of the work.
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    02-12-2014, 12:01 PM
All I did was hold her back with my hands and kept her on a circle, I used my seat and legs to keep her forward. I can't afford lessons with a dressage instructor.
    02-12-2014, 12:05 PM
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All I did was hold her back with my hands and kept her on a circle, I used my seat and legs to keep her forward. I can't afford lessons with a dressage instructor.
Save up and take a couple, because this All I did was hold her back with my hands tells me that it would be invaluable to you. Mind you most of what you have asked and posted just screams that you need some hands on help, and some quality instruction.
    02-12-2014, 12:35 PM
Holding her back is not the way to do it. She needs much, much much more seat and legs than hands. I bet if you posted a video, this horse would be dragging along with her back legs, and have her nose behind the vertical.
    02-12-2014, 01:04 PM
I'm getting a video of me riding tomorrow for my exam but if anything her nose is always in front of the vertical.
    02-12-2014, 01:37 PM
You should be encouraging her to reach her head down and onto the bit (like my paint gets long and low when collecting himself. But I'm sure other breeds look different) my point was you shouldn't be holding her back, it shouldn't be a "go faster" que. If you know what I mean. Also in some of your YouTube videos and pictures I've seen. She is kind of hollow backed. Meaning she's not actually collecting herself, just putting her nose down. In time collection will come, but it requires a whole lot of new muscles to be used that your horse may not be used to. It's not a rushed process.
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    02-12-2014, 01:42 PM
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You can't get a horse on the bit by see sawing at its mouth or 'holding its head in'
Collection is achieved by riding the horse forwards using your legs and seat to activate his quarters and have him moving into a light hand - you have to have impulsion and balance to get to that point alone and the horse must understand how to relax and 'give' to that pressure - not fight it or drop behind it to avoid it
I think you would do better to look for recommended dressage instructor in your area - there is a list on the British dressage website
British Dressage :: Training
If you can't find someone in your area then a good riding school with a well qualified BHS instructor would be better than nothing at all
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    02-12-2014, 02:02 PM
It was a BHS instructor that told me to seesaw. I don't hold her head in, I was holding her back. She works long and low who l ke warming up with her nose on the vertical

Also my youtube videos haven't got anything recent apart from me half in a halter or the one where I'm working her in a western saddle, also in a halter.
    02-12-2014, 02:03 PM
Again, I can't afford an instructor until I move yards, even then I will have to travel with a friend.

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