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        12-05-2011, 09:23 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    I am SO sorry I abandoned this thread, I was in the UK for a long weekend to see family, and didn't get chance to get online.

    Thanks for all the advice, and anebel, will give that a go, maybe not tomorrow as she's been lunged twice in 5 days and it would unfair for me to get on and say, lets do it!

    In fact, having these few days off has made me serisouly pine for Duffy, and Rufus my dog ;D

    A lot of people said she would be too strong for me, and too much for me when she was fit, and I thought well, as she was in such bad condition, surely if I get her listening to me then, and we have the basics (includin stop ;D) it'll be easier, and I think it has been- if I turned her out for 5 months to put weight on rather than excercise her.

    My trainer's other half sees her every day, and he said the past three weeks or so she has really started putting weight and muscle on, and maybe she is feeling fresher, and I've got to keep up with her.

    Corporal, I don't want to desensitise her to a whip, so to speak. I don't want her petrified of it, but I want a response from her. Not one that will make her tense up, but one that when I apply it later on in training, she will say yes ma'am, not sod off!

    Will keep this thread alive and let you know how our riding and lessons are going.

    Thanks again guys :)
         
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        12-07-2011, 06:18 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    You're doing fine - take a deep breath. It is scary especially with the big ones. Appears whip was working fine. If she gets too strong do LOTS of transitions - I like trot/halts where the halt is square. Once they're perfect then turn them into half halts.

    Appears the whip is working - sometimes "showing" them the whip instead of tapping them with it will work. My trainer had me make whip parallel to ground instead of using it a few times - that works. So next time you ask and she ignores try that BEFORE tapping her with it. Soon she'll listen to seeing whip and finally she'll listen to your request.

    As for the head shaking - my older mare started doing this with her rider - turns out gal wasn't using her elbows (opening/closing) so horse felt "held" when mares natural action had her head going down. So when you'd be "sitting" in the posting trot open elbows up enough to provide a very small bit of relief in the reins.
         
        12-08-2011, 03:17 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Thanks Valentina :)

    Yesterday's lesson was better, and considering she's had 5 days off whilst I was in the UK with only two lunge sessions and an hour in the walker every day she was brill to ride on Tuesday, no silly behaviour, but I didn't push her for the harder stuff, we did transitions, figures and loads of bending. Only problem was after about 30 mins she decided she'd had enough and on the left rein as we approached corners, was drifiting out. So, I know this is rider error, and we worked on it yesterday and I had too much inside weight and leg, not balancing it enough with outside.

    Yesterday's lesson... well, we didn't have a lot of room, a couple of the jumpers were in there pratting around making their horses look hard to handle (I don't understand this.. at all, poor creatures, so they deffo put up with a lot of mouth pulling, one of the girls cantered a 10m circle, sitting on the outside... like.. really.. I was like, good, well behaved horse, she's only been riding it for 5 minutes D:)
    In the end, when they cut me up, I carried on riding. Thought stuff you, I'm being taught in German, you know whats being said and I'M PAYING. So I got a few dirty looks and my trainer having a good giggle.
    Then we introduced the crop. The kiddie's little red one again haha, and Valentina, you're so right, I just hold it and she knows the difference. So much so, I asked her to walk on and she cantered from a halt. Which in it self was impressive so I didn't chastise her, I pushed her on, and then when she wanted to stop, pushed her on, and then stopped, and did loads of transitions! We only had it for a little while, and I didn't touch her once, but yesterday it felt like I was riding an ENTIRE horse, not just her front end, which is what we've been going for, but teaching it is so much harder than achieving it with a horse that already knows it.
    The feeling I had was much clearer too, left hand side was brilliant, right hand side was super, and she's starting to sit back in a canter and not canter in to the floor- all mega improvements. And the fast isn't too scary any more, I'm not saying we've cracked it completely, but I can feel her back so much more now.

    As for my elbows, I thought that too, I thought am I holiding her too tight, and she's tossing her head because she's saying ow, so I gave her a long, loose rein and she still did it. She was just being a baggage, and that was her way of saying UH UH. She hasn't done it again since last Wednesday, but I've only ridden her three times.

    Will keep you updated again! Missing Saturday's lesson because I'm helping out for a kids christmas party..wooohooo for being a tall elf!
         
        12-16-2011, 11:25 AM
      #14
    Showing
    What bit do you ride in Duffy? Tossing head usually means something is going on rather than just attitude.. I've heard that riding in loose rings rattles the bit in their mouth regardless of how long or short the rein is. It's something to consider.. as I'm sure you've checked her mouth and how the bit fits, etc.

    Also I have to ask.. why is it bad to sit on the outside (do you mean the outside seat bone or completely leaning over there?) on a circle?

    Also you're doing great!!!!!!! :) I don't think you're over horsed at all, she's just testing you in ways you've not been tested before :P
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        12-16-2011, 02:40 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    What bit do you ride in Duffy? Tossing head usually means something is going on rather than just attitude.. I've heard that riding in loose rings rattles the bit in their mouth regardless of how long or short the rein is. It's something to consider.. as I'm sure you've checked her mouth and how the bit fits, etc.

    Also I have to ask.. why is it bad to sit on the outside (do you mean the outside seat bone or completely leaning over there?) on a circle?

    Also you're doing great!!!!!!! :) I don't think you're over horsed at all, she's just testing you in ways you've not been tested before :P

    I hadn't heard or thought of that before, she's in a loose ring french link- something nice and chunky for her! It fits her well, and she works in it. The head shaking only occurs on two occassions, and it took me little time to figure it out. 1) if she's tired, her neck muscles ache. She feels heavier in my hands, and its more of a nod. 2) When Duffy either says no, or attempts to say no, its snaking of the head, and an attempt to gain control to GO. As soon as you push her on, she's fine- she's just a baggage for doing it ;)

    Seat bone and sitting on the outside. If you want your horse flexed to the inside whilst doing a 10m canter circle, you're unbalancing the horse. Sitting to the inside, keeping the inside leg long and the outside leg behind the girth will balance the horse. When you do a flying change, you change your seat bone amongst other things, which to me, is something I would hope to never put my horse through on a 10m circle, the horse works hard enough for it- don't make its life more difficult sort of thing :)

    And thanks, tonight's lunge/play was great fun and a huge success!!
         
        12-16-2011, 02:44 PM
      #16
    Showing
    Glad to hear it Duffy!
         

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