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post #1 of 36 Old 10-22-2012, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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German Branch PETA Files Charges Against Totilas' Owners | eurodressage

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post #2 of 36 Old 10-22-2012, 07:19 PM
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Wow....they're going to need a whole pile of watch dogs out there to make sure no one is using rolkur for a few minutes!!! Geeeez! (most people who perform rolkur do it for only a few minutes to stretch and strengthen the top line.....I'm not an advocate, but geeeez)

Just skimmed the article, but will read in more depth when I get home!

Oh, the stallion is confined and lives a solitary life.....duh! Most of them do!

Yay let's just let all the stallions out so they can sow their wild oats.....geeeez!

This should be an interesting thread
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I think it is cruel on many levels. Whatever happened to the vertical face? Humans can be incredibly selfish, how sad.
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While the intentions are good, an outright ban would be very difficult to enforce as it would take tons of supervisors in the warm-up ring and it is also subjective as to how much is too much. Some might only watch for extreme rollkur while others might go nuts over a brief moment behind the vertical.
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Goneriding, this isn't a rolkur debate. But a peta debate. Rolkur has been done to death.
I find it interesting, and quite a smrt move by peta, that they have targeted arguably one of the most famous horse/rider/owner combinations in the world, or at least the most covered in the media. By targetting such a big name in the sport, IF this charge against them comes to heads, it's going to send a ripple through the rolkur/LDR community.
As for the confinement, I do agree on a level with peta (can't believe I put agree and peta in the same sentence just then!), I'm a firm believer in horses have time in a paddock. If Carl Hester can put Blueberry and Uti in a 'field' during the day, surely others can follow suit. I know I know, risk of injury and what not, but you can make a small, and very safe/secure paddock for an hour or two of fresh air for the horse.
I know that it's very much culture to keep these horses locked up, but honestly, if I couldn't keep my horses anywhere that allowed them time in a paddock, I wouldn't have horses.
So yes, I can side a little more closely with PETA on that front. Just an hour a day of letting a horse be a horse would be lovely.

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While the intentions are good, an outright ban would be very difficult to enforce as it would take tons of supervisors in the warm-up ring and it is also subjective as to how much is too much. Some might only watch for extreme rollkur while others might go nuts over a brief moment behind the vertical.
They already supervise warmups at big FEI sanctioned competitions. Riders can put the horse in 'LDR' for no more than 3 minutes, or a steward can approach them and in some cases, elimate them from the competition.

What they can't enforce, is what riders do at home. That's where peta have problems. And obviously many of these horses are photographed training at home in rolkur. The photos and videos are accessed easily online, but you can't do s*** about how people train at home.

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Even though I'm not all there with PETA. I have to agree with them on this. Rollkur, in my books, IS NOT ALLOWED. No matter what the horse is doing, you don't need to do it.

It shouldn't be allowed at shows, or anything.

Not sure if this is true or not, but if he's locked in his stall all the time I think that's just cruel too.
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Rolkur/LDR community? Really? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Riding LDR has not been scientifically proven to cause damage to the horse and actually one biomechanics expert did a study that actually found riding LDR for a short period of time improved the horses' way of going.
Doing it badly, yeah you can eff a horse up. Doing it correctly has not, ever, by anyone reputable, been proven to cause any damage to a horse. Is it ugly, yep. Oh well. So are gaming bits and running reiners into walls and rapping jumpers.

Get over it, honestly. There's unpopular practices in EVERY horse sport. I don't know why dressage is constantly picked on. So sick of these threads.
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my first impression on reading this?

Meh. Whatever . . .
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My apology for putting your nose out of joint, Anebel. But as stated, this is NOT for rolkur bashing. But opinions on peta's turning their sites to dressage. Eurodressage found it interesting enough to run an article, you'd better contact Astrid and let her know that she shouldn't be running it.
If you don't want to see it, don't bloomin' look at the thread!

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