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    10-22-2012, 10:21 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
My apology for putting your nose out of joint, Anebel. But as stated, this is NOT for rolkur bashing. But opinions on peta's turning their sites to dressage. Eurodressage found it interesting enough to run an article, you'd better contact Astrid and let her know that she shouldn't be running it.
If you don't want to see it, don't bloomin' look at the thread!
I'm aware if the purpose of this thread, however, it appears that others are not.
I think PETA will lose in court because of what I said in my post.
I think this thread will get locked for going off topic and for people verbally wailing on dressage.
Threads about dressage in general on this site turn to poop. At least on eurodressage there is no "reply" button.
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    10-22-2012, 11:57 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
I'm aware if the purpose of this thread, however, it appears that others are not.
I think PETA will lose in court because of what I said in my post.
I think this thread will get locked for going off topic and for people verbally wailing on dressage.
Threads about dressage in general on this site turn to poop. At least on eurodressage there is no "reply" button.
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Who's wailing on dressage?

Back to topic, as I see it went sideways for a minute.....

But yes, PETA will have a hard time enforcing this in people's own private arenas etc.....and I am not an advocate for rollkur, but as I said in my previous post it does serve a purpose IF used correctly.....just like a spur, whip, etc etc.

Now, I'm going to read the article a bit more......

I used the words Dressage and PETA.....we are still on topic.....
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    10-23-2012, 12:20 AM
  #13
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Actually, correct me if I'm wrong....it seems this is the first time PETA has EVER pointed the finger at the dressage community.....wow, if PETA wins a case like this it might forever change how dressage is viewed by the world (at large) ......
     
    10-23-2012, 12:23 AM
  #14
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As I said before some disruption, I am interested, and impressed to some degree, that peta has selected such a prominant figure to launch this claim against. It has certainly made people look up and take notice, and honestly, this would have to be one of their less crazy and really fairly logical wars on cruelty (far more so than saving goldfish kept in bowls!!!).
If not the rolkur, certainly the confinement issue.
     
    10-23-2012, 12:25 AM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong....it seems this is the first time PETA has EVER pointed the finger at the dressage community.....wow, if PETA wins a case like this it might forever change how dressage is viewed by the world (at large) ......
Precisely why I bought this up.
As far as I am aware, Dressage as a sport has not been targetted. HENCE, PETA selecting 'Team Toto' to "pick on" is an interesting and increasingly controversial move, especially with them now cuddling up to Sjef in Holland. No one previously seems to have been brave enough to REALLY speak up about that move. Dressage community will be watching this one closely I suspect!
     
    10-23-2012, 12:41 AM
  #16
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Makes you wonder how much 'evidence' PETA has to bolster their case....if they've aimed this high, they are going to have a rather hard fall if they cannot back this all up....

Oh yes, I thoroughly agree with the stallion confinement issue........I was under the impression that PETA had an issue with it being 'seperate' as many stallions are, not that it was stall bound.......as I just not long ago had a chance to read the article thoroughly.....stall bound, not cool......
     
    10-23-2012, 01:19 AM
  #17
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I am interested to watch this case unfold too. "Team Toto" is quite a formidable force, I doubt that they will just roll over and take this.
The rolkur side of things is easy to prove, its very public that they are now working with Sjef Janson who is well known for his 'quirky' training methods.
Its more so the pushing of solitary confinement that will be the hard one to 'prove' for PETA, even though most of those horses are kept in such a manner.
They are pushing for both the solitary confinement, and confinement itself - he gets no 'self directed movement' time in a paddock, according to PETA.
     
    10-23-2012, 01:52 AM
  #18
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Hmmmm 'self directed movement' .....very important to have! On one hand, many stallions are solitary, for obvious reasons.....but to have no 'out' time, must be quite a mental stress for such a hormonal animal. Yes, I do agree with that argument - you can only bubble wrap something for so long before you start harming it. It's just proving it. Someone must have been filming for a very long time to get this evidence, or to get enough that PETA thinks they can make a case.
Solitary confinement:
I wonder what the thinking is behind that? A lot of people argue that the horse will get injured etc if turned out...I don't buy it, it's a possibility, but I don't buy it fully.....but there must be some kind of other psychological effect on the animal that makes it an advantage to the trainer for keeping a stallion like this.

It will be very interesting to see what PETA comes up with....

There is a website that follows cases like this (not PETA affiliated) called ratemyhorsepro.com......I might go see what's going on there.....
     
    10-23-2012, 02:13 AM
  #19
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I read that article earlier today. Was wondering if someone on here would make a topic about it.

I doubt it'll go very far, tbh. It's definitely an interesting move by PETA, and I too (can't believe I'm about to type this) agree with their issue on "confinement." I believe all horses deserve time out in a paddock or field. Heck, Rich Fellers (the US show jump rider) has many of his GP horses out 24/7.
     
    10-23-2012, 02:22 AM
  #20
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Strange and Muppet, these horses are generally confined 24/7 due to injury risk. When a horse is worth multi million euro's, they tend to get bubble wrapped. When a horse is confined for so long, it's going to go silly if put out on it's own. These owners don't want to take the risk. BUT, you look at horses like Utopia and Valergo, who got out daily, including regular hacks on top of that. Now to me, THAT is how an elite horse should be living. Not locked in a stall 24/7 with occasional handwalking and a 1 hour ride.
It is taking an animal, and treating it like a machine. Totilas has NO dea that he is worth so much, NO clue that he is one of the top dressage horses (or was) in the world, nor one of the most publicised. He doesn't know that he has a fan club. He doesn't give two hoots that his stable is made of pretty wood and looks beautiful. He's a horse, with basic needs like every other horse on this planet whether retired pony, eventer, show horse, kids pony club horse etc.
I will never see eye to eye with the constant stall keeping mentality, no matter how expensive a horse is.
As I said earlier, if I couldn't keep my horse somewhere it could be paddocked regularly, I wouldn't have a horse.
Right now, I don't have the best arena - I'm training at medium level dressage in a 20x40m arena, next to a road, surrounded by cows, and on a slope. But, my horses are able to be in beautiful big paddocks, in a herd environment. They are happy as pigs in mud, and nothing fills my heart with more joy than seeing them all tearing around the paddock having a ball :)
     

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