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        08-14-2013, 12:55 PM
    Perhaps for people who have never seen him he is. When two very old
    Reitlehrers (and a reitmeister) says he did things with horses that they would have tossed away, that is praise.

    Is he for everyone? No. Are there things to be discussed as to why? Or what the differences are? For sure.

    Would he have had any impact 30 years ago? No, because all horses were ridden up/open/and towards lightness in hand/self carriage. That is a big difference.

    Equally equitation stood before all other things, it is prerequisite to being able to train.

    It's rather like the riders (german/french) which changed horses after an olympic (in 36). The german said 'for me there is no difference', and the frenchman said your is more obedient. That speaks to the nature of the people doing the training, the exacting vs the lightness.
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        08-15-2013, 03:22 PM
    I was taught that extensions were sort of a function of collection. That is, as much and as correctly as you collect, so it can be expressed by the release of the energy forward.

    My first practice at extensions came after a shoulder-in on the short side, into a change of rein. The shoulder-in develops collection by bringing the hind end under, and the horse was in a good position for some extension.

    It's why I always have trouble understanding people who say their horses can collect, but not extend. (Although I know, I've said it myself! In my case, I was clueless about correct contact.)

    P-Karl is probably a "joke" the same way Parelli is here in certain places. I personally feel it's the gang-up-on-what-we-don't-understand syndrome. Reason enough not to try to understand any of it further.

    One more opinion: I don't judge the quality of "dressage" by competitive "Dressage" scores.
        02-12-2014, 12:30 PM
    Philippe Karl

    Hi everyone,

    New here but wanted to share that I am one of the riders and the organizer at the santa fe school location. There are 3 US schools. I'm a former low level competitor in dressage, and riding in this school has changed my riding for the better. My horses are happy and i'm enjoying myself too. We are a fun, supportive and positive group of people. I'm happy to share what I know about the method but I am only in the first year and so my experience is quite limited at the moment.
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        02-12-2014, 07:03 PM
    I saw one video of Karl & thought he was an excellent dressage rider. Horse going forward with the lightest of aides. It was beautiful. I watched in again & again and saved it so I could watch again!! Love his riding!
        02-16-2014, 09:18 PM
    Originally Posted by ChristineNJ    
    I saw one video of Karl & thought he was an excellent dressage rider. Horse going forward with the lightest of aides. It was beautiful. I watched in again & again and saved it so I could watch again!! Love his riding!
    Do you have a link to the video?

    Would like to learn more about all the big dressage names. Never heard of this one before, I'm interested :)
        02-16-2014, 09:58 PM
        04-30-2014, 10:08 AM
    I have watched Philippe Karl teach and ride in person and he is the epitome of excellent equitation. He can get on any warmblood, tb, whatever and make it better by the time he leaves its back. But with that said, I've seen others emulating him who clearly don't have his depth of experience. You just can't replace years of apprenticeship at a place like Saumur with the guidance of elders and the libraries to read with a three year, a few weekends every few months education. The education he received that he is trying to pass on very nobly and precisely unfortunately won't take hold partially because of how many people do it wrong and post videos of their inverted, above the bit, off the aids, hollow horses. That is NOT what Philippe Karl himself does.

    So having ridden with one of his certified trainers and with a few people from the Spanish Riding School, I had very similar lessons with equal results on both sides. I ride and host clinics most consistently with a Bereiter from the Spanish Riding School because I really love his approach, his enthusiasm, and his tact with all of the riders in the clinic.

    Just my humble opinion...I would be HONORED to ride with or have Philippe Karl or the Bereiter from SRS teach me or ride me horses ANY day!!!
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