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post #21 of 94 Old 12-05-2009, 07:24 PM
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For a horse to execute piaffe and passage correctly, there's a WHOLE lot of muscle building involved. Have you ever seen the olympic level horses? They're packing, big time. To teach a horse these moves is a culmination of years of blood, sweat and tears and even then, some just don't have the capacity for that amount of stress on their bodies.

EDIT: Didn't see your post Kayty! Well said!

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post #22 of 94 Old 12-05-2009, 07:33 PM
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haha no worries DE! Most of dressage is revolved essentially around muscle development. You can't physically get a horse into collection unless you've build up the hind end sufficiently to do so. Then through collection the hind end gets stronger, so you start teaching movements which require a higher degree of collection, which in turn further builds these muscles until eventuall you have a horse that has the strength to carry 90% of it's weight over it's hindquarters.
In an ideal world of course where every horse can achieve this, which is most certainly not the case! Not many horses at all can get to that level of collection, hence why there are so few Grand Prix horses compared to prelim/novice horses ;)
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Muscle development takes time to develope and the higher level movements are based on that development.

Here is a perfect example of what I mean.

The first picture is my old GP horse when he was at the medium level and while nice there is not the development to do what the second picture is showing.... a passage.

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Three years later in passage.

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^Gorgeous horse! I didn't know you acctually road GP, lol shows my lack of knowledge and teenage foolishness, lol!

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Firstly, if you have to ask the difference and how to teach passage/piaffe you ARE NOT READY BY A LONG SHOT to be riding, let alone teaching a horse these movements.
Piaffe and passage take YEARS to learn. The amount of muscle required by the horse, as well as the schooling behind it are phenomenal. It is also **** near impossible to teach these movements without having ridden it a few times first and understand what is 'good' and 'bad' about what you have ridden.
ALOT of horses simply cannot passage and even less can piaffe. Trotting 'super collected' is not passage. I would highly doubt an Icelandic pony could do these movements, purely based on how they are put together. Horses are bred for their dressage ability and very few make it to GP level, and even less are actually any good at that level. I am lucky that my horse has somehow aquired this talent (we aren't sure why?!) and has been doing it since he was 3 although it is not correct as he simply isn't muscled in the right places as a 5 year old to hold himself.
The picture of the grey is an excellent example of how much extra muscle is required (and in the RIGHT areas) to perform these movements.
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^Gorgeous horse! I didn't know you acctually road GP, lol shows my lack of knowledge and teenage foolishness, lol!
At one point he was ranked 8th nationally. I was reserve to Christy in the East.
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excelly, I have been training my beauty for over 8 years and all that time we have been building up so I think he might be ready, but the thing im trying to know is how to teach it...are there any books or?

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post #28 of 94 Old 12-06-2009, 03:19 PM
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Spyder that's awsome!

As to the OP, can you show us pics of your horse?

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excelly, I have been training my beauty for over 8 years and all that time we have been building up so I think he might be ready, but the thing im trying to know is how to teach it...are there any books or?
Your 13!! 8 years of training would have made you 5 when you started. I don't beleive for a second you OR your horse are ready
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I have never seen a horse who is gaited doing passage. Icelandics are gaited, are they not?
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