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    12-10-2009, 09:55 AM
  #71
Super Moderator
Yes, they may have been passionate when they posted their comments, but they are trainers at heart. The post above yours clearly states the situation. Teaching these movements is the culmination of years of training. This training is the same for all horses, even icelandics. Your horses are a different breed, for sure, but not that unique in their training needs as far as these movements are concerned, IMO.

We all need to chill a bit. You, as well.
     
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    12-10-2009, 10:17 AM
  #72
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Originally Posted by Thelma    
that's a bit right, but, Those two up there Stormy Blues and Taihoa are very rude to me, they are talking about something they really don't know about! They are really mean. They don't know how it is to train a icelandic horse, I bet they have never ride one once in they're lives!" so they have nothing to do in this topic if they don't know what people are talking about, and they have nothing to do here if they are so rue, the break people down, with this words!! That i'm not a good rider, they guess im really bad to my horses, that I don't care about them, that I can't be riding horses at 5th years of age, that im a harm to my horses!! You guys and speacialy how you talk to me Taioa, have nothing to do with my horsemanship and my feeling to my gorgeus horses, they are what my life is all about

As Allison stated you need to chill out.

I have never ridden an Icelandic either and KNOW that without the proper base developed on your horse it will be difficult at best to get any sort of semblemce of these movements.

Off breeds are far more difficult to teach movements that breeds like warmbloods do more easily and are bred for. Unless your horse/pony is atypical for the breed you WILL need a dedicated trainer to teach it and even on an atypical animal (for its breed) you will run into problems. It was not easy to teach the grey that I posted as he was a Quarab but he was atypical which helped.

There are so many nuances involved in teaching even the basic collection that NO one, not even me should teach you the piaffe/passage over the net for the situation will change day to day and even minute to minute. What would be the right response at one moment in time could be incorrect the next minute.

Get a good dressage teacher to work with you.
     
    12-10-2009, 10:29 AM
  #73
Yearling
Thelma, I tried searching for some basic information online that explains how to move up the training scale and when you and your horses are ready to start working on advanced level movements, such as piaffe and passage. Google popped up some of your posts from other forums. You told us that you ride dressage and have been training your horse since you were 5? Why did you post this on another forum?

"I ride icelandics so i don't really ride dressage much but im teaching my horses bit of those dressage things, so I where thinking how I can teach my horses piaffe and passage and are those things a part of the dressage? Im really into all that "weight on the back feets" couse at the icelandic horseride we really what that like this picture shows"

Impulsion is NOT putting weight on the back feet. It's asking your horse to use its hindquarters for power and impulsion, stepping further under themselves with the back feet, engaging their hocks and shifting their balance back off the forehand. Please find a dressage trainer or at least get a book to learn the basics of dressage.
     
    12-10-2009, 10:34 AM
  #74
Yearling
I did find this for you, which might help. Collection in Tolt. There's a great chart at the bottom of the page which might make it a little easier to understand.
     
    12-10-2009, 10:40 AM
  #75
Yearling
And the basics of the training scale... The Art of Classical Riding--The Training Scale
     
    12-10-2009, 06:14 PM
  #76
Foal
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Originally Posted by luvmyperch    
Thelma, I tried searching for some basic information online that explains how to move up the training scale and when you and your horses are ready to start working on advanced level movements, such as piaffe and passage. Google popped up some of your posts from other forums. You told us that you ride dressage and have been training your horse since you were 5? Why did you post this on another forum?

"I ride icelandics so i don't really ride dressage much but im teaching my horses bit of those dressage things, so I where thinking how I can teach my horses piaffe and passage and are those things a part of the dressage? Im really into all that "weight on the back feets" couse at the icelandic horseride we really what that like this picture shows"

Impulsion is NOT putting weight on the back feet. It's asking your horse to use its hindquarters for power and impulsion, stepping further under themselves with the back feet, engaging their hocks and shifting their balance back off the forehand. Please find a dressage trainer or at least get a book to learn the basics of dressage.
one of the guys you commented here asked for how long I have been riding, it's not like I didn't mean to tell it.... that not the hole matter I think but thanks for the webs...yes I think I have to relax, but those words from those two there where bad! I can stand on that...i have been trying to find out how to do this things, piaffe and passage, but I know now while I have been talking here that I need to find someone that knows more about the dressage movements. Like I sayd in that forum at www.yourhose.co.uk I was trying to find out how to teach this, couse in this training are some steps that are helps for the icelandic rides, like I sayd, "weight on the back feets". Its not like I where going to teach the piaffe and passage on my own, I bet I would never do it perfect! but I guess Electer will get great with help from those train in the piaffe lessons, how the horse is going on the back legs, that's what we want in icelandic ridings. The hole thing needs more PRO horsemanship from a PRO!"
When I say PRO im not talking about those that have been trying to teach me how to ride my own horse, that I, myself, best know! They really hurted me, sayd that my horse wellness was not good if im the rider, what was that suppost to mean?
     
    12-10-2009, 06:48 PM
  #77
Yearling
No one said you don't care for your horse well at all. NEVER. You need to calm yourself and read slower and understand what people are telling you. YOU are not advanced enough, nor is your horse to be doing these things. And if YOU decide you're going to just go on ahead and do it anyway, YOU are putting your horse at risk. That is what they are saying. They didnt say you don't take care of him, they didnt say you're a horrible rider or your horse can't do it, but they ARE concerned for the horses safety and well being. These people are giving you the best advice you're going to find, so instead of beating around the bush and basically lying about training horses, take in the advice and learn something from it. Part of being a good horseman (or woman) is learning from others and taking in as much information as you can. That's what gets you somewhere. For example you need to know different ways to teach things, if one horse learns one way, doesnt mean the next horse will, and you need to know how to "have a bag on tricks" so that you know more than one way to teach something. Same as you need to understand when you are truely ready for something and YOUR HORSE needs to be ready as well. Just assuming he is when you don't know what you're doing is only going to get you in trouble.
     
    12-10-2009, 06:54 PM
  #78
Green Broke
Look at lower level training steps to findout how to put your horse on his hindlegs, you are not supposed to use those to start it off in dressage, look at some beginning dressage books that tell how to teach dressage to the rider and horse (im NOT saying your a bad rider, everyone get help from books, if the rider corrects their riding, then it will be easier for the horse (: ) and there are steps there that will slowly build your hroses muscle and put him back on his hind legs in collection. This will never happen quickly, it takes years, once the muscles and training is properly built up those high level movements will be almost easy :)
     
    12-10-2009, 09:27 PM
  #79
Green Broke
Ok, I don't ever recall saying something about you being a bad rider, you not caring for your horses, etc. I just said that if you want to learn these Grand Prix dressage moves, then you would probably have a trainer to help you. Trainers tell you how to ride because they know a heck of alot more than you. They are there to help you. You know your horse best, but trainers know how to ride a multitude of different horses, and how to train them a million differnt ways. A horsewomen, who strives to be a good horsewomen, would try to learn from everything, and not get defensive. I have had to learn that in the last year, and I have become a better rider because of it. If you don't want to take our advice, that is up to you, but we are giving you the advice that we think is best.
     
    12-10-2009, 09:39 PM
  #80
Trained
Everyone needs to relax. It isn't just people being passionate - There is also a language barrier and and I think it is quite frustrating for Themla attempting to get her point across accurately. Cut her a bit of slack.
     

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