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post #1 of 14 Old 06-29-2013, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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Possible Potential Curls into Contact

I am going tomorrow to look at a potential. Ad and e-mails indicate the horse is allegedly trained to third level with schooling in fourth but he has been ponying horses on the track the last two years and hasn't been shown. I sent the video to my trainer who indicated, among a few other things, that the horse curls into the contact occasionally. Can curling become a habit that won't break or, as I believe I am reading, is it just a way of avoiding the contact as the rider's hands may not be elastic?

The horse is a 17.3 Warmblood/T-bred cross.

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Unfortunately I can't see the video - perhaps try posting a link instead of embedding it?

As for curling into the contact - yes it can be a huge pain in the rear to correct and can take a long time. If however it is just the horse not trusting the rider's contact, and you have a very good contact with excellent hands, you will find that after a couple of weeks the horse will start to trust your hands and will stay up to the bridle.
If he's been trained with draw reins or heavy hands/see-sawing etc. then you will have your work cut out for you trying to undo the curling. Certainly go and have a look at him and see what your coach thinks.

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Try this :):


In actuality the hands on this rider look pretty steady and light but as soon as she tries to pick up contact he curls.

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The wide low hand with inconsistent (falsely light) contact act on the horse's bars and cause it to flex incorrectly (at the third vertebrae). Energy helps the horse come back up and freer (ie like in the departs). If the horse has been used as a pony horse it was likely in a western bit with a tie down, so stuff to overcome. He looks like a nice mover and a willing horse.
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I love the horse, but he is definitely ducking behind the vertical and breaking at the third to avoid the contact. It looks like he's trying to stretch but can't find a steady contact, so I don't think it will be too hard to correct.
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He was actually very sweet and didn't feel like a 17.3 hand horse..he is narrow in the body and tall like a Thoroughbred but has the bone structure of the warmblood. If the curling can be corrected he has the potential but he is also cowhocked and very close behind. I don't think there was a horseshoe nail's head width between his hooves when he was walking..he was almost stepping in a straight line behind. He was fine in a longer rein but anytime I tried to take contact he would curl right under. I tried lifting my hand a little and adding leg to try and see if he would come back up but it didn't work. He would make it as a jumper or cross country type as he has the scope and power over jumps (another prospective buyer was there who wanted a jumper).

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The rider doesn't have steady hands. Just because the hands are still doesn't mean they're steady. Look at the contact when she trots the horse. The rein goes loose TIGHT loose TIGHT and is banging him in the mouth. The horse is curling to try and get away from it.

I bet he is a steady eddie with a rider that actually keeps steady contact. If you work on it, OP, I'm sure this horse will come along very nicely :) Shouldn't be too hard to correct.
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Is it just me, though, but that inside hind leg seems to not really step under. He's short striding a hair. It could be the way his feet are trimmed or it could be something else.
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The rider doesn't have steady hands. Just because the hands are still doesn't mean they're steady. Look at the contact when she trots the horse. The rein goes loose TIGHT loose TIGHT and is banging him in the mouth. The horse is curling to try and get away from it.

I bet he is a steady eddie with a rider that actually keeps steady contact. If you work on it, OP, I'm sure this horse will come along very nicely :) Shouldn't be too hard to correct.
Exactly! She keeps bopping him in the mouth, so he's avoiding getting smacked by the bit. If a rider with steady hands would ride him, I bet he would stop avoiding the bit!

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Is it just me, though, but that inside hind leg seems to not really step under. He's short striding a hair. It could be the way his feet are trimmed or it could be something else.
The vid is pretty deceiving. When I first saw him as I was getting a good ground look, he wasn't tracking up at all on either side. He does take a few rounds of the ring to warm up into it and then he strides properly, tracking up quite nicely actually. He's only been back in "training" a month or so from ponying so he is trying to build up that muscle strength again. He has a little more weight to catch up on and needs more muscle in his hindquarters but I think he'll get there.

He really was sweet and very willing. He was very responsive to leg, maybe too much yet as just a slight tightening of the calf muscle was enough to send him into a trot..or canter. For him right now pressure means go rather than bend or collect.
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