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post #101 of 137 Old 08-26-2010, 01:27 PM
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I understand!

OK...so what is a rollkur?

And if everything is being judged the same....someone is wearing the wrong tack and not getting dq'd for it.... :)
Just to back up what ridergirl already mentioned:

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It's more that basic dressage is incorporated into ther discipline.

If by "basic" dressage you mean flatwork that's goal is suppleness, ryhthm and obedience, or what I think another poster meant by little d dressage, then I would agree.

However, it's crucial to understand that in order for "basic dressage" to have application for other disciplines, the goal of "basic dressage" can not include true collection or sustained collected paces.

True collection, or achieving sustained collected paces, has *NO* place in hunters, event horses or jumpers, let alone endurance riding, racing, polo, fox hunting or any of the other English disciplines. In another discussion on this forum, we debated the point on jumpers and upper level eventers - they can and do collect briefly before going back to a more forward aspect, but that is not the same as big D Dressage collection, or sustained collected paces.

"Dressage is the foundation of all other English disciplines" is only true if you blur the definition of dressage so much that a dressage purist wouldn't recognize it as such, at which point it becomes meaningless. You might as well say "training" or "riding" or "flatwork." The only purpose in making such a statement is to reinforce discipline centric thinking.
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If by "basic" dressage you mean flatwork that's goal is suppleness, ryhthm and obedience, or what I think another poster meant by little d dressage, then I would agree.
Maura, but isn't it a definition of "basic" dressage in general...? Although I must say calling it "dressage" is very confusing (not saying wrong though) for many people.
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How is it incorporated though? I doubt a roper really spends much time on getting his horse collected..... Any horse I rode growing up except for one probably didnt have any dressage training. Yes, people can take flat lessons, but how can it for sure be dressage basics and not just riding fundamentals? Everyone will learn how to walk-jog/trot-lope/canter in a riding lesson....so how is it just not the basics of THAT discipline?
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Well I am going to put an end to which discipline kicks who's rear.

JUMPERS RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Bunny didn't keep it straight, Spyder!
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Bunny didn't keep it straight, Spyder!

I guess it didn't have enough dressage training, eh ?
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I think the last contestent had a foot in the water....

ROFLMFAO......

Thank you, Spyder, this thread *desparately* needed a sense of humor, and I lost mine several pages back.

That's funnier than Jack Russell races.

Those buns sure can jump!!!
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How is it incorporated though? I doubt a roper really spends much time on getting his horse collected..... Any horse I rode growing up except for one probably didnt have any dressage training. Yes, people can take flat lessons, but how can it for sure be dressage basics and not just riding fundamentals? Everyone will learn how to walk-jog/trot-lope/canter in a riding lesson....so how is it just not the basics of THAT discipline?
Basic dressage isnt getting your horse collected, I wish!
I think because on just 'flat work' they don't work on rythm and getting their horse soft in the back and relaxed and all that stuff. But that's jsut a guess, maybe 'basic dressage' and 'flatwork' are just different names for the same thing.

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Those buns sure can jump!!!
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beats up bunnies. :) I actually have seen them jumping from standing (and doing other non-horsey stuff) at the local show. Very interesting to observe I must say.
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