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    08-23-2010, 10:37 PM
  #11
Green Broke
I think the hugest difference that I see between 'classical' and 'modern' riders (for want of a better description) is that if you watch a classical rider at home, he or she trains as they plan to ride, without secret training methods that they would rather no one saw (*cough* like Anky *cough*). They ride correctly because they know it gets the best results, not because the rules of the competition don't let them ride like they do elsewhere.
     
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    08-23-2010, 11:23 PM
  #12
Green Broke
I was a hunter when I was little, then switched to dressage when I got my own horse, and I love it for the challenge! There is always something to learn! Something to practice! There is always a 'higher jump' to get to in dressage, which I love. And if I ever want to switch back to hunter? No problem! If I want to go western? No problem (personally it is a bit harder for me, im not that comfortable in western saddles) I can do anything!

I have noticed a few hunters are working mroe on dressage, which is great too!

I agree with Anebel, I like to think of myself as a dressage rider who uses 'classical' dressage in the show ring. And im so excited because its kind of related to this topic, but I figured out how to get my stubborn mare to work for me with pleasure! LOADS of praise, and after she does something to the best of er abilities THAT DAY (if its an off day I accept a little less) then we walk and I give her a little treat with lots of praise along with it. I have foudn this has worked perfectly for her and I! So I think a lot of good riding is changing for the horse.
     
    08-23-2010, 11:49 PM
  #13
Weanling
CHOO CHOO!

*grabs the popcorn*

There is BIG D Dressage, and little d dressage and what Big D Dressage and Hunters have in common is little d dressage.

Riders everywhere take shortcuts, and generally just suck at riding. Each discipline has this. I don't understand why its constantly EVERYTHING IS BETTER THEN HUNTERS on this forum.

I took Dressage lessons for almost 3 years when I started riding, and rode some decent tests. Got bored and moved on, it wasn't my discipline but I don't bash it for being "easy".

Top level hunter and jumper horses go under a lot of little d dressage. Lateral movements, suppleness, collection, extensions, etc etc the homework/flatwork is there. We just have some jumping in there too.

Hunters "looks" easy because that is what it is supposed to look. Go out there find 8 win a tri-color and tell me that it was "easy". Don't tell me "if I had a 6 figure horse I could do it" Go do it on my horse, tomorrow, and tell me its easy.

And don't digress into "their positioning is awful" Hunters isn't Equitation. Totally different argument.

The seat is a very important aid in jumping. If you read any books on the subject you would know this. In order to be a well balanced, sympathetic, and effective rider you need to have body control. Body control is one of the most important things in any sport.

*passes popcorn*
     
    08-23-2010, 11:52 PM
  #14
Started
I am not sure what the point of this thread is ... you stated that dressage is better then hunters but then went off on classical vs modern. So I am not sure what your point is nor that you should stereo type things.

I am a hunter rider and I have taken LOTS of dressage lessons. Because I don't focus on the dressage aspect only that doesn't make a dressage rider a better rider then me. Nor does that make the dressage rider more versatile then a hunter rider. It has to do with the training a rider has had, the foundation and their capabilities- not the discipline they ride. I have ridden hunters ALL my life and recently have learned some reining/sorting/barrel racing etc. I am in no way shape or forum well skilled in those western disciplines but I do have a good foundation and have the ability to carry out them (sometime better then others who have been doing them longer but have no formal training).

I am not sure the purpose of this thread or what your intent was and would really like to know. With all respect I ask that you explain your point.
     
    08-23-2010, 11:56 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Void    
CHOO CHOO!

*grabs the popcorn*

There is BIG D Dressage, and little d dressage and what Big D Dressage and Hunters have in common is little d dressage.

Riders everywhere take shortcuts, and generally just suck at riding. Each discipline has this. I don't understand why its constantly EVERYTHING IS BETTER THEN HUNTERS on this forum.

I took Dressage lessons for almost 3 years when I started riding, and rode some decent tests. Got bored and moved on, it wasn't my discipline but I don't bash it for being "easy".

Top level hunter and jumper horses go under a lot of little d dressage. Lateral movements, suppleness, collection, extensions, etc etc the homework/flatwork is there. We just have some jumping in there too.

Hunters "looks" easy because that is what it is supposed to look. Go out there find 8 win a tri-color and tell me that it was "easy". Don't tell me "if I had a 6 figure horse I could do it" Go do it on my horse, tomorrow, and tell me its easy.

And don't digress into "their positioning is awful" Hunters isn't Equitation. Totally different argument.

The seat is a very important aid in jumping. If you read any books on the subject you would know this. In order to be a well balanced, sympathetic, and effective rider you need to have body control. Body control is one of the most important things in any sport.

*passes popcorn*
Agree 100% - well said.
     
    08-24-2010, 12:08 AM
  #16
Weanling
I also agree. I don't understand why Hunters have to constantly be bashed here. I like riding hunter, and it is what it is. Constantly comparing it to other forms of riding is just that, comparing it to OTHER FORMS of riding. I don't mind talking about how great dressage is, but there is no need to keep comparing it to hunters and saying how much better it is.

And I have only been showing hunters not even a year. I don't have the experience to really TALK with authority like other members here, but even I can tell that the bashing needs to stop. Aren't we all here because we love to ride, regardless of what discipline we ride?
     
    08-24-2010, 01:04 AM
  #17
Banned
How bout I put all of you on a trail ride and we can all have a blast instead of constantly nit-picking every heel angle and jump position! LOL
     
    08-24-2010, 02:21 AM
  #18
Trained
As others have said, I do not understand the intent of this thread, unless it is to bash hunters and go down the usual, 'overplayed' modern vs. classical dressage debate. Which by the way, Anebel put nicely in her comment regarding classical and modern dressage have no timeframe.

OP, please give a clear direction to this thread.
     
    08-24-2010, 02:37 AM
  #19
Green Broke
Oooh I was replying to the content. In terms of the subject - I haven't seen enough hunter to criticise. I love dressage, but I don't expect anyone else to. I do, however, like to remind other riders that dressage is the basis of all riding, english at least lol.

Hunter isn't very popular over here in WA, I can't say I have ever seen any schools that offer classes that would take the rider in this direction. However, it could be my narrow focus on dressage that makes me blind to all else lol.

As long as the rider is having fun, the horse isn't being hurt in any way, then who cares what discipline it is?
     
    08-24-2010, 07:26 AM
  #20
Banned
This thread starts off with a false premise:
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I think that you can take a dressage rider and put them in the hunter ring and they will kick butt, but if you take a hunter rider and put them in the dressage ring then they won't do so well
and then veers accidently onto a correct premise worthy of discussion re: classical vs. modern dressge.

Let's get rid of the false premise, that hunters and dressage are judged on the same objective standard and hunters somehow fail to measure up, once and for all. A dressage rider in the hunter ring will not kick butt, and a hunter rider in the dressage ring will fight against their forward seat training and struggle to adapt. A dressage rider, in a full seat, riding a dressage quality gait, is going to look pretty silly in the hunter ring and is going to do the opposite of well. The goals of the two disciplines are *different*; it's comparing apples and oranges. A hunter is supposed to move freely forward on light, passive contact and maintian pace and balance with little or no interference from the rider. Done correctly, it's lovely and a joy to watch and completely antithetical to the principles of dressage, which expects that the rider be influencing every step and produce a horse that is completely submissive and obedient to the rider's aids.

Because of that difference is goal and training philosophy, I will say that it is easier to master the basics of hunter seat riding than it is to master basic dressage. AND when learning dressage, as I did, from a hunter seat background, you struggle to stay in a deep seat and to ride every moment of every stride. However, that struggle is no way more or less humiliatating than a classically trained dressage rider getting on a well schooled hunter and confusing it to distraction with a pushing seat and over active aids. If that well-schooled hunter is a TB, particularly one that's had race training, the dressage rider's ride is going to be....short.

Both disciplines are based on sound principles of horsemanship and have value in and of themselves. It's even possible to ride both disciplines and love them both. My hunter seat training informed my dressage riding and my dressage riding informed my hunter seat riding. That's the whole reason to study another discipline. A side benefit of studying another discipline is that you gain enough perspective and understanding of the new discipline and can avoide false comparisions and mindless bashing in the future.
     

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