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    08-24-2010, 11:16 PM
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Hm. Wow. My head is exploding with things to say and yet I can't quite put together a coherent thought... most likely because I'm not entirely sure what this thread is about. OP- what was your original intent? Because from your original post it sounds like you're saying that any dressage rider could go into the hunter ring and kick butt while hunter rider would have a hard time attempting dressage. But then there was all that stuff about classical vs modern... I don't know. You DO realize that the principles of Hunt Seat riding and principles of dressage are different, right? That comparing them is like trying to decide who's better, english riders or western?

I've seen dressage riders do ok in the hunter ring. But to be quite honest, I've seen a lot of dressage riders do poorly too. Too deep in the saddle, behind the motion, having to hurl their body forward in an attempt to stay with their horse... Sure, their sitting trot will beat mine hands down but ya know what? I (me, who's shown hunters my entire life) showed a few horses pretty extensively for a bit at the dressage shows around here and the only score I got less then a 68 was when I went off course (or whatever it's called ) In fact, the majority of my scores were in the 70's. But then again the hunters who know what they're doing also work on things like balance, suppleness, forwardness, being light on their forehand and having their horse's use their haunches...

Let's stop the discipline bashing please. The real lack of education about hunters is starting to drive me insane.
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    08-24-2010, 11:56 PM
Once again Maura is fabulous at putting together the bridge between the two disciplines in a beautifully eloquent manner.

I really respect Maura, for being able to share your experiences in riding in well defined, thoroughly thought out arguments, that read well to anyone who is willing to read it.
    08-25-2010, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by corinowalk    
How bout I put all of you on a trail ride and we can all have a blast instead of constantly nit-picking every heel angle and jump position! LOL

    08-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by SPhorsemanship    
I think that you can take a dressage rider and put them in the hunter ring and they will kick butt
I wish this were true. I'm a lifelong dressage rider who made the mistake of dabbling in hunter riding last year with rather dismal results. I was showing in the Intercollegiate Horse Show Assoc and was disappointed to find that it was based purely on an image that if carried through, put the rider and the horse in a very precarious position. Not to mention that we "drew" our horse, were thrown on its back and sent out into the ring to show, never having been on the horse before and without a chance to so much as spend five minutes getting familiar.

I came in last or second to last every time I showed. Granted, on a couple of occasions it may have been due to my unfamiliar horses (I was on a tiny pony that moved like a jackhammer one time, one that tried to buck me off another time, and a horse that wouldn't pick up his left lead). But there was one ride I had that I thought must be perfect. The horse was well-mannered, beautifully collected, smooth to ride. I came in last. After a year of disappointment and feeling that the horses weren't treated very fairly, I've scurried back to my dressage riding.

I won't say that I hate all huntseat riding. From my understanding it has a bit of the same thing that dressage has, with a more "modern" vs "classical" style. I started taking lessons with a huntseat instructor who's been doing it for 40-50 some odd years and she loves my riding style so much that she has invited me to ride any of her horses any time that I like. After talking to her more, I found that the style of huntseat expected from us in the shows was nothing like the huntseat that she had learned, trained, and taught for so long.
    08-25-2010, 10:31 AM
I am probably just jabbering and if you dissagree... Just ignore it but. Everything I have learned about Dressage, part of their balanced seat is adjusting their body to be as foreword as the horse(which I havn't seen in madern dressage, as in the "extended trot" the riders are humping the horses). So in theory any decent dressage rider should be capable of riding any horse in any english discipline. Thanks to their balnced seat...
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    08-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by upnover    
Let's stop the discipline bashing please. The real lack of education about hunters is starting to drive me insane.
Originally Posted by Eolith    
Not to mention that we "drew" our horse, were thrown on its back and sent out into the ring to show, never having been on the horse before and without a chance to so much as spend five minutes getting familiar.

Eolith- I rode in college as well and this is how it works- it really shows your ability to adapt. There are some riders who can be rock stars on their own horse but on another horse fall apart and there are riders who you can put on anything and they adapt ... it was weird to get used to personally BUT I feel that is made me a much better/more versatile rider.

Maura- always am thankful when I see you post!
    08-25-2010, 05:02 PM
Kchfuller: It isn't so much that I dislike being on different horses. I've ridden all varieties of horses and improved from all of them in one way or another. I've been on quarter horses, arabians, morgans, warmbloods, draft crosses, ponies, thoroughbreds, even andalusians... and I've done quite well with all of them if not improved their training.

I don't agree however with how the IHSA shows are operated. Most owners who are willing to let their horses be used for hours on end by rider after rider aren't the ones who have wonderfully trained and safe horses. Perhaps things were done differently in California, but there were some dismal situations for the horses. There's no justifying throwing random saddles and riders on horses and making them participate in 10-15 different classes in a day, if not more. We'll put it this way: I would NEVER allow one of my own horses to be used in one of those shows under any circumstances whatsoever. Nor would I feel comfortable asking a friend or anyone else to allow their horse to be used in the shows, knowing what goes on.

As I have stated, I have nothing against huntseat and I am presently riding a different style of huntseat with a new instructor. The ribbons in the IHSA were going to riders that rode in a manner I didn't want to get into the habit of doing. Whether it was wrong or right I won't try to say, but it wasn't something I was comfortable with. Honestly I don't want to lose my hard-earned dressage seat and manner of riding. As someone who has ridden 12+ years and never shown, I discovered that showing wasn't my cup of tea either.

As you can see there is a broad set of reasons for my choosing to withdraw from IHSA that goes far beyond being on different horses.
    08-25-2010, 05:25 PM
^ hmmm well we had very different experiences in college riding
    08-25-2010, 05:41 PM
*my school is a Div 1 program and those horses lived better then I did in college! Haha
    08-25-2010, 05:49 PM
I can appreciate how wonderful it would be to participate in a team with fellow horse lovers in college... but in my case there was too much of a blind eye turned to the wellbeing of the horses and it just wasn't something that I could enjoy. It is also a fantastic way for riders on a budget who haven't really had so many opportunities to ride to get involved with horses. In my case, I am an experienced enough rider that there are people willing to let me ride their horses as a mutually beneficial arrangement... which is wonderful and if it hadn't been for the team I may not have made these connections... nor would I have some of my current friends and roommates! I'm certainly grateful for the experience, but also looking forward to moving on into something that will suit me as an individual much better.

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