rising vs. sitting trot

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    08-13-2009, 06:52 PM
rising vs. sitting trot

So I have a question. I just started dressage lessons with my horse, only had about... 4 lessons (one a week). I'm learning so much and my communication with Zeus is much better than it used to be. We still have a lot to work on, but we're definitely making progress. We're starting with the basics. We're working on transitions, circles, bending, rocking him back and getting off the forehand as well as lifting his back and not being hollow. I'm starting to feel the difference and when he's working correctly. My questions is, I remember reading, not sure where, that to when asking for collection at the trot it should be at the sitting trot, and not the rising trot. The explanation was that in the rising trot the rider would have to use too much rein aid to achieve the collection and not enough leg. Right now we're not working on the sitting trot yet, and just doing the riding trot. I combine leg and rein aids to get him to round and accept the bit. No more than a light sponging on the reins to keep up the conversation is used. So I'm not really seeing the difference? We obviously haven't achieved true collecting yet as we are still learning, but I'd like to know what you all think of this.

Opinions? Does that statement have any truth to it?
My dressage trainer is wonderful, and as I said, we're doing great. I just wonder why this is thought.
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    08-13-2009, 07:02 PM
The problem with trying to achieve collection while posting is that you use half halts to do it. The half halt largely involves your seat, and when you're posting, you're seat is out of the saddle half the time, so it makes it a little useless. I see in your post that you mention reins and legs, but no seat. A lot of what happens with collection comes from your core and lower back muscles. If your stomach muscles don't hurt after your early attempts at riding half halts, you aren't doing it correctly.

I also don't sit my horse's trot. I achieve half halts by temporarily softening my posting. For one stride, I post as if I am about to sit up and ask to transition down to a walk. It sends a message to my signal to come back to me, but the next stride I ask for more trot again and the result is he steps better under himself. It's kind of cheating I suppose, but I doubt there's anyway to do a true half halt while posting.
    08-13-2009, 07:09 PM
I do see what you mean. And when doing the sitting trot on my own or riding the canter my seat is a BIG part of the way I ride him. If you're not deep in your seat he rushes and pulls. So I try to really be aware of it. But you're right, in the posting trot there pretty muchs is no seat to work with. Never thought about it though! Ha ha. I'll definitely try what you said you do in the posting trot. It sounds a lot like what I do but I couldn't explain it.

Would love to hear more as well.

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