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    03-18-2012, 06:33 PM
  #1
Yearling
Cool Is she on the bit?/collection/uhphillness!

Hi,

I thought I would ask you dressage experts (:P) if you think she is on the bit/behind the bit or what.
I have never ridden a horse that is on the bit or collected before?

Also is she working through her back?

She hasn't quiet got it in a trot yet, she continues to like her giraffe impersonation but im sure whith time she will get it!

Also she has a habit of becoming fairly downhil when she starts to canter especially at the moment (when I can ride) I have been doing canter figure 8's (trot in the middle) to try and get her to lift her shoulders what else could I be doing? I would ask my trainer but the last 3 lessons have had to be cancelled because of rain!

Thanks in advance for the help!

:) Curly
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    03-18-2012, 06:52 PM
  #2
Banned
I am not a dressage expert, but I will stand in for one until the real ones get here.

In the first two photos, I see a horse that is in a training level frame. The horse appears to be relaxed and willing. BUT the horse is not tracking up or coming through behind at all, so while the horse has one piece of the puzzle - accepting the bit in a relaxed and supple fashion - there are pieces missing, such as pushing from behind and moving through the back.

The third photo shows a horse that has dumped on the front end and is in front of the bit and pulling itself along on its front end with no energy.

So there is nothing in these photos that looks like collection or uphillness.

What I do see is a horse that is in a pretty good place at the beginning of her training.

Your horse seems willing and obedient, but really lacking in forward energy.
     
    03-18-2012, 06:52 PM
  #3
Green Broke
To me she looks quite heavy on the forehand, no collection there at all and even in the photo where her head is in a verticle line, she is trailing her back end and dragging herself along by her front end. In the first photo the horse is also breaking at the 3rd vertibrae instead of at the poll.

You need to get her hindend more under her, get her stepping through from the inside hind leg, getting the horse to lift her withers only then will a horse become light in your hands and be working from behind.
You cannot workon collection untill then.

Personaly with your horse i'd work on getting her more forwards and more in front of your leg as a first exercise.
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    03-18-2012, 06:54 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by maura    
I am not a dressage expert, but I will stand in for one until the real ones get here.

In the first two photos, I see a horse that is in a training level frame. The horse appears to be relaxed and willing. BUT the horse is not tracking up or coming through behind at all, so while the horse has one piece of the puzzle - accepting the bit in a relaxed and supple fashion - there are pieces missing, such as pushing from behind and moving through the back.

The third photo shows a horse that has dumped on the front end and is in front of the bit and pulling itself along on its front end with no energy.

So there is nothing in these photos that looks like collection or uphillness.

What I do see is a horse that is in a pretty good place at the beginning of her training.

Your horse seems willing and obedient, but really lacking in forward energy.
I actually said she wasn't uphill, and wanted to know how to get her to be uphill. How do I get her to have more forward energy, if I squeeze with my legs she will put her down as she has it in the photos, but if I squeeze more she will trot? And how do I know when she has enough forward momentum?

Thanks Maura :)

Faye- how should I go about doing that?
She has only been undersaddle for 9 months so is this an appropriate level for her to be at with a rider who is learning with her?
     
    03-18-2012, 06:59 PM
  #5
Green Broke
In comparison this is what I concider to be the first stage of collection/uphillness, we are now working further on getting his behind under him more at this stage this pony had been broken for all of about 8 weeks.


Forwards is difficult to work on with a lazy pony, you need to make her resposible for her pace and she must keepgoing forwards if she backs off get your leg on and force her forwards,at this stage and untill you have established forwards it does not matter if that means that she is running on her forhand
     
    03-18-2012, 07:00 PM
  #6
Yearling
How should I get her to the next stage? Transitions?

Im a bit dissapointed now! I thought she was doing good! I really appreciate your comments though! Now I know that she isn't doing I can work on fixing it!
     
    03-18-2012, 07:11 PM
  #7
Weanling
I was always told that working on collection in walk is more difficult than collection in trot and that this is reflected in the dressage tests where the working walk comes in much later than a working trot and a medium walk is used until the horse's balance and other skill supports a collected, working walk. A good guage of how far along your horse is, is to look at what she would be asked to do in the tests as they go up. They are meant to build upon eachother.
     
    03-18-2012, 07:22 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Don't be disheartened, Reeco has never had an issue with forwards (most of his issues have been of the stopping variety) and i've been riding for over 20 years at a reasonable level.

Get her going forwards, your leg actualy needs to mean something to her so rather than nag with your leg, if getting your leg on once doesnt work reiforce it with a smack from a stick.

Once you have her forwards the next stage is getting that inside hind leg under her, normaly the best way is half halts, transitions and what I call semi transitions (there is probably a more technical or correct wording for them). Semi transitions are where for example if you are in walk you ride upwards into the halt and as soon as the horse takes that first upward stride into the transition you "change your mind" and ride them forwards into walk again. So it is somewhere between the half halt and the transition and are very very usefulin establishing the half halt.
This is however dependant on you understanding how to ride from your seat (not something I can teach on the internet unfortunatly) and the concept of riding upwards into the downwards transition (as counterintuative as it sounds).

I personaly would suggest you get a pure dressage instructor as a lot of this cannot be learnt over the internet.
     
    03-18-2012, 07:22 PM
  #9
Yearling
MicKey73She doesn't collect/put her down for alck of a better phrase at a trot at all see in 3rd picture.

Faye - Thankyou :) I have been riding for 9 months also, I had a pony when I was about 9 for about 4 months but I lost interest.
I have an instructor, but finsing them here is very difficult so there is no chance of having just a dressage instructor unfortunately.

I have a video if that would help.
I will upload it in a minute.
It is long so if you want to see the walk (head downess) it at roughly 3 minutes.
     
    03-18-2012, 07:22 PM
  #10
Showing
Not to hijack this thread, but would you consider this horse as being on the road to collection?
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