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  • Leg yielding shoulders leading
  • Leading with shoulders when walking

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    01-01-2014, 06:11 AM
  #1
Foal
Shoulders leading. . . Leg Yield

I'm going to be having my riding lesson Friday. I'm a bit behind because of Christmas. I know I'm going to do leg yields, just thinking about my mistakes and how to correct them. One is when we do leg yield the horse tends to lead with the shoulders. She is a wonderful mare and very responsive. Any suggestions for me to ride this movement better is appreciated.
     
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    01-01-2014, 12:16 PM
  #2
Trained
Leg yield is meant to strengthen the inside leg to outside rein connection. A common mistake is for the rider to take off all their aids, and just use an inside leg to move the horse over, which ends up with the horse just basically turning counterbent and going to the wall.
You must ride only one step sideways at a time. Then one forward, one sideways, etc.. which makes you stay honest with the rest of your aids. You can't ride the horse forward without a supporting outside leg and an outside rein to keep the neck straight. Your outside knee controls the shoulder.
Then, once you can do the one step over, one step forward. Now in a steeper leg yield, without moving the inside leg back (it stays at the girth), move the haunches over more than the shoulders (by allowing with your other aids - inside leg says over, outside aids say how much and with what body part) until you can do a haunches leading yield, then a shoulders leading, then totally parallel, etc.. that you become able to adjust the horses body.

And ALWAYS have an exact end point and ride to it. Never end up on the wall before or after you want to. If you go too sideways, ride more forward, if you're going past your marker, walk and get to your point no matter what!
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    01-01-2014, 08:26 PM
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I love the way Jane explains the movement and the aids.


What I find often happens is that the horse "fakes out" the rider by overflexing their neck and "crossing" with the forehand and walking straight with the haunch with no crossing. This is a very crooked horse who is not yielding the haunch at all.
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    01-03-2014, 08:14 AM
  #4
Weanling
Nice crossing in the vid. A couple of things that would be helpful to changed in that vid: The rider should look where the horse looks (straight ahead), otherwise the shoulders of the rider are easily lost. Pulse the inside leg rather than place and hold which encourages the horse to lean. (And the last point/debated through most texts) Ideally the inside leg is closer to the girth and outside leg back to guard (agree with anabel).

Start with LY head to the wall, it is more simple for rider and horse. Do only a few strides and straighten. Play with degrees of yielding. LY is NOT meant for an acute angle, since the horse is straight through the body a short diagonal would increase the likelihood of loss of balance/hitting the legs. This is NOT a traditional exercise (but one from the swedish school), in times past it was ONLY done in walk because of the lack of bend.

A better use of reaction to inside leg is 'yielding to the leg' on a circle (i.e. Spiraling on the open side of a circle and moving the horse from A toward C with a series of circles). Why? Because then there is bend through the body even though the horse is moving away from the inside leg (and into the outside rein). It is the best 'cross over' for eventually creating the basis for inside leg to outside rein, limiting it over time, and eventually creating shoulder fore.
     
    01-04-2014, 02:03 AM
  #5
Yearling
I've found that timing the leg cue to right before the hind is meant to cross up under the horse really helps. It's easiest to describe to a person posting the trot- sit, cue, rise. This combined with a steady outside rein aid to ride up into helps a ton. Sometimes you just need to give the horse an extra umph to your cue to really tell them to get up under with their behind.

Didn't have time to watch the vid but I look forward to it.

Good luck, keep posted. This is something my horse and I struggled with in the beginning of our leg yielding journey so I'm anxious to hear what helps for you.
     
    01-21-2014, 12:26 AM
  #6
Foal
Thank you. These comments and video are very helpful. Was definitely better. I slowed down the movement, am/was using too much inside leg and not enough outside. However, hind end still trailing behind sometimes. Do get crossover in front (not consistently enough though )but not behind. Curious about haunches leading yield. Need to get the hind going more. This mare knows her stuff and seems "aware", if that makes sense, that I am learning. If I am not bang on with position and cues, she won't "fake" it for me. I am learning a tremendous amount from her. We did do the circles. I have done head and tail to wall before but not on this mare. Forgot to ask. I have a tendency to let the mare take over a bit. Really enjoy this animal a lot.
     

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