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post #11 of 40 Old 11-08-2011, 11:51 PM
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Trot is a two beat gait... not 4...
Though I understand where you are coming from with having to allow the pelvis to move with the horse, which often means sideways movement, not just up and down or back and forth

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Trot is a two beat gait... not 4...
Though I understand where you are coming from with having to allow the pelvis to move with the horse, which often means sideways movement, not just up and down or back and forth
In prior instruction- for the human riding- there is a 4-beat in the saddle movement- up and lateral-- that is what I was referring to.. as far as human hips meeting the saddle goes..sorry for the confusion..
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A good link: Sitting The Trot

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The wave is a good example that I sometimes use when teaching my students too. Another thing is to think about the aerobic move, the 'pelvic thrust' (not the crazy dance move lol) and how the pelvis tilts and increases the range of motion. Your bringing your pelvis in more and lifting your bellybutton to absorb the shock as the horse lifts and back and down as the horse lands. You are moving with the motion of the horse in the sitting trot, rather than rising to avoid the motion like you do in the post.

The best way is to strengthen your hips and stretch out the tension. You really need both and to make sure your hips are even underneath you and in the saddle. You'd be surprised how many riders have slight unbalances and unjuries han can really throw them off when riding and they don't even know it. I really recommend conditioning your body out of the saddle as much as possible by strenghtening your core & loosening up the rest of your muscles especially in your hips and legs. Yoga and Pilates are excellent, but any form of increased fitness will help.
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Thanks for all the great tips! Yes, I am in a dressage saddle and am having so much difficulty relaxing I think because I have back issues and don't allow my back to relax enough for me to not bounce. I completely agree with OlympusTraining...I need some core strenghtening!
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A good link: Sitting The Trot
This is helpful...thanks!
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My tips for learning the sitting trot:

*Get a horse with a smoother trot to learn the motion on.
*Don't shove your heels down as far as they will go. Feel the stirrup on the ball of your feet and think about relaxing your ankles to allow your heels to go up and down.
*Post and sit 3 beats. Post and sit 3 beats. Post and sit 5 beats..
*Don't shove your seat bones into the saddle... another poster said think of it as "down down down" but I find that riders put to much weight into the seat bones which is uncomfortable for both horse and rider which causes stiffness and therefor bouncing.. Instead I think of the trot as being a one beat gait when sitting. Instead of 1,2,1,2,1,2, up, down, up, down.. I think of it as being 1,1,1,1,1,1...
*Mirrors are very helpful when it comes to sitting too. Watch a million videos of sitting trot on youtube and then see if you are doing the same things in the mirror. If you don't have mirrors have someone video tape you.

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Okay.. I had a dreadful time with my sitting trot because I get very tight in my hips. That's one of the main problems is the rising trot you can use that "power" to get off of the back, but the sitting trot you want to be glued to the back without slamming. You have to expel that energy out of the bottoms of your feet.

What I tried to do was open up my legs more, and RELAX my hips. Sitting the transition of walk to trot, even the rising trot, really helped me to first try it. Starting at a very slow trot, like a western jog (try to manage the size of trot by the speed of your posting and the amount of leg and seat when you ask. Half halts also help, but don't be rough, gentle aids and your horse will start to get it)

ANYWAY :P you want to sit on the pockets of your jeans (if you were actually wearing them) not on your crotch, no tipping, no 2 point, back. Watch that you don't tense your shoulders or brace your arms. I did this and even after relaxing them, my wrists got tense and as soon as I released, we had 3 perfect strides.

It's about relaxing, and not panicking if you start to bounce.. just rise and get him slow again.

Start small.. don't try to go a full lap around the arena. Right now I'm not engaging my core because I'm still learning how to isolate it properly without bracing any of my other muscles.. but if you can relax those hips, breathe down into your seat, release those knees (it takes a lot of practice), and get rid of the energy out of your feet, you will have a very nice start to the sitting trot. And over time your body will remember how it feels and how it got there, and it'll become cake.

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Okay.. I had a dreadful time with my sitting trot because I get very tight in my hips. That's one of the main problems is the rising trot you can use that "power" to get off of the back, but the sitting trot you want to be glued to the back without slamming. You have to expel that energy out of the bottoms of your feet.

What I tried to do was open up my legs more, and RELAX my hips. Sitting the transition of walk to trot, even the rising trot, really helped me to first try it. Starting at a very slow trot, like a western jog (try to manage the size of trot by the speed of your posting and the amount of leg and seat when you ask. Half halts also help, but don't be rough, gentle aids and your horse will start to get it)

ANYWAY :P you want to sit on the pockets of your jeans (if you were actually wearing them) not on your crotch, no tipping, no 2 point, back. Watch that you don't tense your shoulders or brace your arms. I did this and even after relaxing them, my wrists got tense and as soon as I released, we had 3 perfect strides.

It's about relaxing, and not panicking if you start to bounce.. just rise and get him slow again.

Start small.. don't try to go a full lap around the arena. Right now I'm not engaging my core because I'm still learning how to isolate it properly without bracing any of my other muscles.. but if you can relax those hips, breathe down into your seat, release those knees (it takes a lot of practice), and get rid of the energy out of your feet, you will have a very nice start to the sitting trot. And over time your body will remember how it feels and how it got there, and it'll become cake.

Good luck :)
thank you! This is similar to what my trainer is telling me as well - to sit with my tailbone on the seat instead of my seat bones and almost round the very bottom of my back and then relax..

I'm going to work on this tomorrow, I'm determined to get my sitting trot in order before moving on to anything else...
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Great tips everyone! I just had my second lesson last week and we worked a bit on sitting trot. Felt completed unsafe and bouncy when I started but even by the end of the lesson felt more comfortable, like I had made slight improvements already.

I'm sure we'll be working on it lots in upcoming lessons so I'll try to keep all these things in mind.
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