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post #1 of 12 Old 06-10-2013, 06:20 PM Thread Starter
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some dressage judges...

don't you hate when you do a great test and get a terrible score?! ugh!

I went to eventing championships this weekend and it happened to me! I thought it was one of gypsy's best tests, forward and soft and just really consistent.

The judge had some really ridiculous comments, like she was pacing (?!?!) and sticking her tongue out! neither of which she does, and my grandpa took a video of it and she is not doing either of those things!

its just super frustrating! i dont know what she didnt like so much about my test. one girl who scored better than us didnt even keep contact and another one of the horses was lame =/

ok rant over...

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post #2 of 12 Old 06-11-2013, 08:13 AM
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lol this is why i dont want to join the show world..shows should be fun and not so concerned over scores.

sorry u had a rough day
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post #3 of 12 Old 06-11-2013, 08:24 AM
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Yep, thats dressage all the way. Sometimes unfair, but it'll always be a judges sport and every judge has their own opinion.
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At what gait did she say your horse was pacing? It's very hard to spot a walk that has become "pacey" if you haven't been taught how. In your video, count to yourself the footfalls at the walk and notice the rhythm. If it's an evenly spaced 1234 it's a pure walk, but if there is any sense or 12 34 in it the walk is not pure and is moving towards a pace. It is a very common fault and one many riders aren't aware of.
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Nope, well yeah I must admit to being a little disappointed at times, but it doesn't matter, if you scored 50 for your test, but had your best ever free walk for instance, you are still a winner in my book.

For me dressage isn't about the scores it's about the journey.
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post #6 of 12 Old 06-12-2013, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by longride View Post
At what gait did she say your horse was pacing? It's very hard to spot a walk that has become "pacey" if you haven't been taught how. In your video, count to yourself the footfalls at the walk and notice the rhythm. If it's an evenly spaced 1234 it's a pure walk, but if there is any sense or 12 34 in it the walk is not pure and is moving towards a pace. It is a very common fault and one many riders aren't aware of.
^ I very much agree with this. A pacey walk is something that, to me, many riders/coaches seem to have a hard time seeing and/or fixing. It never ceases to amaze me how many FEI horses (and many "lower" level horses) I have seen pace at the walk. Though it can be easy to get a little busy at the walk and cause jigging or a lateral walk.

Don't be discouraged OP! Many a times I've had beautiful rides on my pony only to get disappointing scores. It happens, remember it is only one person's opinion, though do try to take what good you can from the test and learn from it (sometimes easier said than done...). I remember a show where I had over a 10% difference between two tests (both at second level) on same horse from two different judges. One gave me mid 60's and the other gave me low 50's. I just decided he was crazy .
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I know exactly how you feel, 2 weeks ago I did a show(my first dressage show and second ever show) and scored a 65 and a 61, yesterday I my first test I knew I didn't do great and got a 56, second test I felt like I did way better then any of my others and I got a 51, my highest score was a 7 for the first halt. My trainer is friends with the judges(and she is a judge) so she was talking to the judge that gave me the 56, then she asked what she gave me and when I told her she said "oh good I gave you a good score" She also said I was very nicely turned out. My trainer said the comments didn't match the scores. Oh well, I'll just wait to see when the rankings are posted, as long as my score isn't way lower then everyone's I'll still be happy...sorry that was so long lol
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post #8 of 12 Old 06-12-2013, 08:33 PM
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thats ok doesn't matter if u know u guys did great. Just ignore it there's more shows to come and more judges
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Just because it was a consistent ride for a given horse, does not necessarily make it according to the rules.

If there were lateral tendencies (like in the walk on contact), then likely there were. The horse's feet must form a "V" as the walk progresses.

And the tongue can be out slightly on the side away from the camera. So, does your horse softly chew, or is the mouth silent, or?

It is the judge's job to notice every detail of a ride. WHAT were the other comments? Or?? In the end, it is about how does your own ride improve from ride to ride. Not comparative with others per se.

The comments should match the score(s). Since each # has a 'work meaning' (i.e. 4=insufficient or 6=satisfactory or etc)
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post #10 of 12 Old 06-13-2013, 08:38 AM
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Equitate makes a lot of good points.
Also note that not all judges will judge in the same manner. Particularly in the lower levels determining a winner can pretty well be a lotto. Some judges want a horse to be really up in front, quite short and very powerful. Others prefer a horse at that level to be a little longer in the frame, softer in the contact and very relaxed.
If we're talking club level competition, then some judges will mark an accurate test with poor quality of movements very highly, and others will turn a blind eye to slight issues in accuracy if the quality of paces/movements is high.

Then of course you get the judges that genuinely have a grudge with an individual, or a judge that is just known for being very sour and giving out ridiculously low scores.
At my last state championships, I had nearly a 10% discrepancy between judges for one test. One judge marked the simple change and counter canter with 8's. The other said the SC was not shown and CC not shown. I looked back at the video and the SC and CC was the best that horse had shown, and was really VERY well executed.
There were other little mishaps in the judging there that dropped one judges score.
That particular judge and I have had run ins previously due to non-judging related issues, and unfortunately it seems that these issues have crept into their judging of any test I ride, no matter how good a test it is.

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