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  • Kieffer sitting on wither
  • For my thoroughbred, do i need a 30cm tree or 31cm from stubben

 
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    12-08-2012, 01:23 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Those are some seriously good prices, either saddle is a bargain. As to fit, it is always a lottery and if you don't have your own horse why would you buy anyway?? I can never understand that one, it is like going and buying a nice pair of shoes as a present for a friend that you haven't even met yet, the chances of them fitting are 1000's to one.

If you set on having your own, then ask who ever the tb belongs to what saddle fitting she has, if she has a branded saddle and you look all over it you should be able to find the model and fit details, then you can talk to St Croix and they will give you best guess. Or you could do this



With her saddle, if it fits, and send that off, then you will shorten your odds considerably.

I'd still wait, but at those prices it IS a great deal

Thanks!

One of the reasons I want to get my own saddle is because I do Western but I do like riding in an English saddle (more freedom of movement). I'll have to ask the BO.

Thank you again!
     
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    12-10-2012, 11:29 AM
  #12
Weanling
Will they allow you do a trial? Some tack shops will, and you usually have about five to seven days to test it out.
     
    12-10-2012, 04:56 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Captain Evil    
Will they allow you do a trial? Some tack shops will, and you usually have about five to seven days to test it out.
Yes, they allow a trial, but it is only a 3 day trial.
     
    12-10-2012, 05:26 PM
  #14
Yearling
Get a flex-curve (available at fabric-stores) or use a straightened-out coathanger.
Get a wither-tracing by laying the flex-curve across your horse's (or your favorite OTTBs) back about 2" behind the rear edge of the scapula. This will be about 2" behind the end of the last mane-hairs on the wither. This is about where the tree-points will sit.
Now trace your "horse" onto a piece of cardboard. Since these saddles are at an online store, you can either mail or fax or e-mail your cardboard horse to them, and they should be able to give you a good idea whether or not it will fit. No point in shipping a saddle that has no chance of fitting.
BTW, a narrow tree will only have a chance of fitting if your tracing shows a smaller than 90 angle where the tree points will sit. If your horse is close to 90 or wider, then a narrow-treed saddle will really dig in a hurt, and there's nothing you can do to make it feel any better.
     
    12-10-2012, 05:33 PM
  #15
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by freia    
Get a flex-curve (available at fabric-stores) or use a straightened-out coathanger.
Get a wither-tracing by laying the flex-curve across your horse's (or your favorite OTTBs) back about 2" behind the rear edge of the scapula. This will be about 2" behind the end of the last mane-hairs on the wither. This is about where the tree-points will sit.
Now trace your "horse" onto a piece of cardboard. Since these saddles are at an online store, you can either mail or fax or e-mail your cardboard horse to them, and they should be able to give you a good idea whether or not it will fit. No point in shipping a saddle that has no chance of fitting.
BTW, a narrow tree will only have a chance of fitting if your tracing shows a smaller than 90 angle where the tree points will sit. If your horse is close to 90 or wider, then a narrow-treed saddle will really dig in a hurt, and there's nothing you can do to make it feel any better.
Thanks! I've decided against the Kieffer, I asked for more pictures to find out that its not really a saddle I like. I'm starting to look more at the Stubben, and the other saddles on St. Croix. My concern about the Stubben is that the tree is 31 cm wide, which I have heard is a medium-wide, which I think is too wide for this horse. Is there any way I would be able to make up for that wideness? I have attached a picture of the OTTB, are her withers high enough to need a cutback saddle?
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    12-10-2012, 05:49 PM
  #16
Yearling
High withers don't necessarily mean that you need a cutback saddle. A lot of saddles have lots of clearance in the pommel area - the Stubben being one of them. You just need a saddle that fits right.
Stubben calls their 30 cm a medium, 31 cm a medium/wide, their 32 cm and wide, and their 34 cm an extra-wide.
I can't find it right now, but I used to have a template that shows the shapes of the tree at the front for each width of Stubben. I'll look for it tomorrow if you still need it. Their 30 cm is pretty much right on a 90 angle. Their 31 cm is just over (maybe 91 or 92 - don't quote me). Take your wither-tracing. You can't really do anything without that.
I would say that if your horse is right around 90, you should send the tracing to St Croix and see what they think. The Stubben 31 cm often fits horses that normally take a medium.
If the saddle is too wide, the problem is that the tree-angle is too wide. If you take something that's a wide angle and place it over something that's a narrower angle (try it), you get a point where the wide thing ends up putting a lot of pressure on the narrower thing. If it's just a little too wide, a nice sheepskin or felted wool pad or foam correction 1/2 pad can help a lot. If it's much too wide, it won't be good.
But won't the Stubben be too big for you? Isn't that the one that's a 17.5" seat? I'm 5.9" and use a 17.5" seat in a Stubben.
     
    12-10-2012, 06:53 PM
  #17
Weanling
Well, I decided to chose the 17.5" because I fit best in a 15" Western and I still have a lot of growing to do. I'll have to ask St. Croix for more pictures of the Stubben like I did with the Kieffer.
     

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